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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: /proc/<n>/maps getting _VERY_ long
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 19:41:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010806194120.A5803@thefinal.cern.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010805171202.A20716@weta.f00f.org> <20010805204143.A18899@alcove.wittsend.com> <9kkq9k$829$1@penguin.transmeta.com> <9kkr7r$mov$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <9kl6aa$87l$1@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <9kl6aa$87l$1@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 04:26:50AM +0000

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >Do you count applications which selectively mprotect()'s memory (to
> >trap SIGSEGV and maintain coherency with on-disk data structures) as
> >"broken applications"?
> >
> >Such applications *can* use large amounts of mprotect()'s.
> 
> Note that such applications tend to not get any advantage from merging -
> it does in fact only slow things down (because then the next mprotect
> just has to split the thing again).
> 
> No, they aren't broken, but they should know that the use of lots of
> small memory segments (even if it is a design goal) can and will slow
> down page faulting, and use more memory for MM management for example. 
> 
> Linux does have a log(n) vma lookup, so the slowdown isn't huge.

There are garbage collectors that use mprotect() and SEGV trapping per
page.  It would be nice if there was a way to change the protections per
page without requiring a VMA for each one.

Btw, Linux has pretty fast SIGSEGV handling (the fastest of any
OS/machine combination that I measured), so it's a good platform for
this sort of thing.  I measured 7.75 microseconds per page for SEGV
trapping followed by mprotect() in the handler, on a particular test on
a 600MHz Pentium III.

-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-10 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-04 15:43 /proc/<n>/maps getting _VERY_ long Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05  2:17 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-05  5:12   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05 13:06     ` Alan Cox
2001-08-05 13:18       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05 23:07       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-08-05 23:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-06  0:41         ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-08-06  1:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-06  1:17             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-08-06  4:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-06  6:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-08-06 18:41                 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2001-08-10 21:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-10 22:00                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-08-10 23:03                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-08-10 23:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-10 23:55                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-11  1:04                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-06 11:52               ` Alan Cox
2001-08-06 12:23                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-06 13:17                   ` Alan Cox
2001-08-06 13:55                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-06  9:43         ` [LONGish] Brief analysis of VMAs (was: /proc/<n>/maps getting _VERY_ long) Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05  6:44 /proc/<n>/maps getting _VERY_ long David Luyer
2001-08-05  7:21 ` Anders Eriksson

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