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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: Pablo Alcaraz <pabloa@laotraesquina.com.ar>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries?
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:05:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011013210521.A995@kushida.jlokier.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110130956350.8707-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <3BC88AB3.2040707@laotraesquina.com.ar>
In-Reply-To: <3BC88AB3.2040707@laotraesquina.com.ar>; from pabloa@laotraesquina.com.ar on Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 03:40:51PM -0300

Pablo Alcaraz wrote:
> Whatever will be the chosen solution, it would have to allow to 
> overwrite all the executables and libraries files (if we have enough 
> permissions).

Pablo, there's no need for this.  Upgrades to libraries are done by
removing the old file's name from its parent directory and placing the
new file at that name, perhaps using an atomic rename.  The old _file_
continues to exist even though its name has been deleted, until the last
program using the library finishes using it, even though the old file
does not have a name any more.

New programs that open the library will find the new file.  Both files
exist until the old file finally disappears.  At no point is any file's
contents overwritten.

This is why you can upgrade a running linux system including critical
system libraries, and nothing crashes.  Usually ;-)

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-13 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 12:49 Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Jesse Pollard
2001-10-03 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-03 23:20   ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04  3:38     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  4:19       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  6:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  8:21           ` CaT
2001-10-04  8:35             ` john slee
2001-10-04  8:45               ` CaT
2001-10-04 13:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 14:24               ` Kernel size Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-13 20:35                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-04  8:30           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Ville Herva
2001-10-04  9:46             ` Erik Andersen
2001-10-04  8:53           ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 13:23             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 19:50           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04  9:12         ` Bloatware (was Re: Security question: "Text file busy"...) VDA
2001-10-04  5:38     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04  5:44       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  5:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 15:01           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 15:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 16:11               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 17:25               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 14:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 17:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 18:18                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-13 18:40                     ` Pablo Alcaraz
2001-10-13 19:05                       ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2001-10-13 18:54                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 19:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 19:46                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 21:43                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-13 22:27                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 22:50                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-15 11:24                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14  6:49                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 15:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 18:49                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:17                             ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-15 11:43                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 22:41                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-15 11:35                           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-15 11:51                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-14 12:57                     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-14 21:43                     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Mark H. Wood
2001-10-04 19:28               ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04 16:02             ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:20               ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 17:19               ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 20:39         ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but Alan Cox
2001-10-05 16:30           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-05 16:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 17:35               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-05 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 18:51                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-10-06 19:05                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:02               ` [RFC] "Text file busy" when overwriting libraries Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 12:08                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-14 20:48                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15  1:44                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15  2:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-15 10:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:54                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 11:57                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:08                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 12:11                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  5:53       ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Richard Gooch
2001-10-04  6:50       ` George Greer
2001-10-04 12:54       ` John Levon
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-03  2:55 Rob Landley
2001-10-03  7:07 ` Alexander Viro

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