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From: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:01:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200110222001.f9MK1VP16160@deathstar.prodigy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86256AED.0068A63B.00@smtpnotes.altec.com>

In article <86256AED.0068A63B.00@smtpnotes.altec.com> Wayne.Brown@altec.com wrote:
| 
| 
| I certainly can't argue with your logic.  :-)
| 
| Actually, I believe there are some decent, honest, well-meaning people in our
| government.  It's just that they seldom have much influence on policy.  :-(

  After watching the VM wars here, how can you doubt that decent,
honest, well-meaning, and at least in the case of VM, competent people
can have very different ideas of how to solve a problem? Do you think
good people don't ever propose very bad solutions to problem? Just look
a release 2.4.11-ohshit.

  Write to your politicians, and try to find out who does NSA secure
linux. How happy can they be not to get security fixes? Do they have to
stop publishing? Are people coming in black helicopters to dismantle
CERT, long our line of defense?

  Stop trying to demonize politicians and start writing letters. State
the FACTS clearly without coming off as a hothead or worse, and you can
convince a staffer, which is the way in. Local elections are this year,
I bet your local candidate will give you a few minutes and if convinced
would would at least try to get you a five minutes on the phone with a
congressman. Then you need to be cool and informative.

  Contact the local VFW and try to get someone interested. Soldiers
know about operating without intelligence information, and they often
have contacts. IBM is spending big bucks on TV ads for Linux, don't
hesitate to mention that trying to get the ear of a politician. Let
them, know this is not a bunch of hackers. 

  Start using the system instead of whining about it. You don't need
money to rock the boat, just the perception that you are a reasonable
person pointing out a problem.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  His first management concern is not solving the problem, but covering
his ass. If he lived in the middle ages he'd wear his codpiece backward.


  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-22 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-22 18:59 Linux 2.2.20pre10 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:01 ` bill davidsen [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-26 20:26 Fabian Svara
2001-10-26 18:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 12:31 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-23  3:45 Thomas Hood
2001-10-23  2:48 Patrick Chase
2001-10-22 23:40 Carsten Kuckuk
2001-10-22 23:06 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:35 Craig Dickson
2001-10-23  0:53 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  1:08   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 23:30 Thomas Hood
2001-10-22 23:45 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 23:56 ` David Weinehall
2001-10-23  0:40   ` Chris Gomez
2001-10-23 16:21 ` Jonathan Amery
2001-10-22 22:20 Leif Sawyer
     [not found] <fa.mf0j8bv.1e5o8jq@ifi.uio.no>
2001-10-22 22:15 ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-10-22 22:12 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 22:26 ` Kilobug
2001-10-22 21:07 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:57 Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:21   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:23   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:32     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 22:13       ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 22:22         ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-10-22 23:25         ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-22 23:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-23 16:27         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-10-23  1:59       ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-23  4:36         ` CaT
2001-10-23 10:50         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 17:36         ` Paul Jakma
2001-10-23 18:25         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Bob Glamm
2001-10-22 22:02     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:17       ` Pedro Corte-Real
2001-10-22 23:02         ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 21:27 ` ogd116
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:43     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:58       ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-22 22:04         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:48     ` ognen
2001-10-22 20:27 PinkFreud
2001-10-22 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:42   ` PinkFreud
2001-10-22 22:57     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-22 21:17   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:11     ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 10:00       ` Marco Colombo
2001-10-22 20:22 Torrey Hoffman
2001-10-22 20:37 ` Tommy Reynolds
2001-10-22 19:58 Rogier Wolff
2001-10-22 20:28 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-10-22 18:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:38 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-22 19:23   ` Paul Fulghum
2001-10-22 19:14 ` Tudor Bosman
2001-10-22 19:42   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 19:55   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:42     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45       ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 21:12         ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:35           ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:49           ` David Weinehall
2001-10-22 23:29             ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 23:49               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  1:32                 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:04       ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:28   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 19:00   ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 23:19 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 18:13 Per Jessen
2001-10-24 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 17:51 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:52   ` Kilobug
2001-10-23  6:29   ` Yoann Vandoorselaere
2001-10-22 18:41 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-10-22 19:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2001-10-22 17:21 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 17:35 ` George Garvey
2001-10-22 17:46 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 17:57   ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 19:45   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 20:17   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:51 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 15:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 15:42 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 16:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 10:21 Alan Cox
2001-10-22 10:37 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:30   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 11:35     ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:55       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:06         ` Matthias Andree
2001-10-22 12:29           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 13:24             ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 19:27             ` brian
2001-10-22 19:39               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:04               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-22 20:44                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-23  5:56                   ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-10-27 16:18                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 20:34               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 22:45                 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:24                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-24  5:02                     ` Paul G. Allen
2001-10-23  3:55                   ` Nicholas Dronen
2001-10-22 23:39                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-22 23:47                   ` Steven Walter
2001-10-23  1:01                     ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-23  1:35                       ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:58                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23  1:40                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:04             ` David Ford
2001-10-22 23:15               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 23:32                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:38               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:57             ` Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 12:08         ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:30           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:25             ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 13:33               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 18:21                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:29                 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 18:14               ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:24               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 13:07             ` Roger Gammans
2001-10-22 13:30               ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 16:11               ` David Lang
2001-10-22 14:11             ` Danny ter Haar
2001-10-22 16:20             ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 16:34               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 16:52                 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 19:39                   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 19:49                     ` Doug McNaught
2001-10-22 20:51                       ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 23:30                     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:41                       ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  0:42                     ` Michael Rothwell
2001-10-22 19:56                 ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:59                 ` Jussi Laako
2001-10-22 21:56                 ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-22 22:10                   ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:16                     ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-23 13:21                       ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 16:49               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:16                 ` Greg Hennessy
2001-10-22 19:35               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30             ` Andreas D. Landmark
2001-10-22 19:43             ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:14               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 21:30                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-10-24  8:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-24 17:45         ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 19:28     ` Gavin Baker
2001-10-22 10:40 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-22 17:31   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-10-27 15:57     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 10:41 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-10-22 10:52   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 22:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-11 23:06 Alan Cox
2001-09-12  8:01 ` Roberto Nibali
2001-09-12  8:08 ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:36   ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-09-12  8:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:21 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-09-17  6:08 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-17 12:24   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 15:04 ` Nicolas Turro

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