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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Jeff Dike <jdike@karaya.com>
Cc: Ryan Cumming <bodnar42@phalynx.dhs.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Special Kernel Modification
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:53:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011105175337.D18319@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E160aCK-0001Fs-00@localhost> <200111050552.AAA06451@ccure.karaya.com>
In-Reply-To: <200111050552.AAA06451@ccure.karaya.com>; from jdike@karaya.com on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 12:52:51AM -0500

On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 12:52:51AM -0500, Jeff Dike wrote:
> bodnar42@phalynx.dhs.org said:
> > >  Mounting it synchronous will  disable caching in the VM.  
> > Who told
> > you that? Synchronous mounting turns off write buffering. Even with
> > "-o sync" writes will still end up in the page cache, they'll just be
> > commited immediately.
> 
> Ummm, how about O_DIRECT instead of O_SYNC (or maybe as well, my googling
> hasn't been clear on whether O_DIRECT bypasses the cache on writes as well)?

O_DIRECT is synchronous but only in terms of data, if you want the
metadata to be synchronous as well you need to open with
O_SYNC|O_DIRECT, and even in such case all the metadata reads will came
from cache.

For example if you only care about being able to reach the data after a
crash (not about the inode info) in a file with all its logical blocks
mapped to physical blcoks (no holes) and then you fsync, later you can
as well avoid O_SYNC and you still don't risk to lose data after a crash
because the block mappings never changes, if you grow/shrink the file
you definitely need O_SYNC to be sure the O_DIRECT data is still there
after a crash instead.

Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-11-05 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-05  0:01 Special Kernel Modification Lonnie Cumberland
2001-11-05  0:19 ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-05  0:29   ` lonnie
2001-11-05  1:04     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-05  3:04     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-06  0:34     ` Jorgen Cederlof
2001-11-06  0:38       ` lonnie
2001-11-05  0:22 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-05  0:39   ` Phil Sorber
2001-11-05  0:38 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-05  1:04 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-11-05  1:58 ` Jeff Dike
2001-11-05  2:14   ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-05  4:02     ` Jeff Dike
2001-11-05  3:13       ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-05  5:52         ` Jeff Dike
2001-11-05  5:30           ` Ryan Cumming
2001-11-05 14:22             ` Jeff Dike
2001-11-05 16:53           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2001-11-05 20:18             ` Jeff Dike
2001-11-05 19:05               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-05  0:37 John Weber
     [not found] <E160aCK-0001Fs-00@localhost.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <200111050552.AAA06451@ccure.karaya.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-11-05  6:22   ` Andi Kleen

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