From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:06:58 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:06:48 -0500 Received: from jalon.able.es ([212.97.163.2]:45739 "EHLO jalon.able.es") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:06:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:53:03 +0100 From: "J . A . Magallon" To: erik@hensema.net Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc Message-ID: <20011106235303.A6661@werewolf.able.es> In-Reply-To: <20011105144112.Q11619@pasky.ji.cz> <4.3.2.7.2.20011106093248.00bea990@10.1.1.42> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In-Reply-To: ; from spamtrap@use.reply-to on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 21:12:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.2 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 20011106 Erik Hensema wrote: >Stephen Satchell (satch@concentric.net) wrote: >>The RIGHT tool to fix the problem is the pen, not the coding pad. I >>hereby pick up that pen and put forth version 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 of the >>Rules of /Proc: > >Agreed. > >> >>7) The /proc data may include comments. Comments start when an unescaped >>hash character "#" is seen, and end at the next newline \n. Comments may >>appear on a line of data, and the unescaped # shall be treated as end of >>data for that line. > Well, perhaps this is a stupid idea. But I throw it. ASCII is good for humans, bin is good to read all info easily in a program. Lets have both. Once I thought the solution could be to make /proc entries behave differently in two scenarios. Lets suppose you could open files in ASCII or binary mode. An entry opened in ASCII returns printable info and opened in binary does the binay output. As there is no concept of ASCII or binary files in low-level file management, the O_DIRECT flag (or any new flag) could be used. And (supposing all fies in /proc are 0-sized) perhaps a seek position could be defined for reading a format string or a set of field names, ie: lseek(SEEK_FORMAT); read(...); Same for writing, opening in "wa" allows to write a formatted number (ie, echo 0xFF42 > /proc/the/fd) and "wb" allows to write binary data (write("/proc/the/fd",&myValue)). Just an idea... -- J.A. Magallon # Let the source be with you... mailto:jamagallon@able.es Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Cooker) for i586 Linux werewolf 2.4.14-beo #1 SMP Tue Nov 6 16:23:01 CET 2001 i686