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From: Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>
To: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>
Cc: Elladan <elladan@eskimo.com>, Stevie O <stevie@qrpff.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Zack Weinberg <zack@codesourcery.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: close return value (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:51:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200207171751.g6HHpVc07197@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020717171722.GA1352@win.tue.nl>

Andries Brouwer writes:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 09:38:53PM -0700, Elladan wrote:
> 
> > The question is, does the OS standard guarantee that the fd is closed,
> > even if close() returns EINTR or EIO?  Just going by the normal usage of
> > EINTR, one might think otherwise.  It doesn't appear to be documented
> > one way or another.
> > 
> > Alan said you could just issue close again to make sure - the example
> > shows that this is not the case.  A second close is either required or
> > forbidden in that example - and the behavior has to be well defined or
> > you won't know which to do.
> 
> No, the behaviour is not well-defined at all.
> The standard explicitly leaves undefined what happens when close
> returns EINTR or EIO.

However, the only sane thing to do is to explicitly define one way or
another. The standard is broken. Consider a threaded application,
where one thread tries to call close(), gets an error and re-tries,
because it's not sure if the fd was closed or not. If the fd *is*
closed, and the thread loops calling close(), checking for EBADF,
there is a race if another thread tries calling open()/creat()/dup().

The ambiguity in the standard thus results in the impossibility of
writing a race-free application. And no, forcing the application to
protect system calls with mutexes isn't a solution.

Linux should define explicitly what happens on error return from
close(). Let that be the new standard.

				Regards,

					Richard....
Permanent: rgooch@atnf.csiro.au
Current:   rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca

  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-17 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20020712162306$aa7d@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found] ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20020712162306$aa7d@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
2002-07-15 15:22   ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 17:31     ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 18:33     ` Matthias Andree
     [not found]     ` <20020715173337$acad@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found]       ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20020715173337$acad@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
2002-07-15 19:13         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 20:55           ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 21:23             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 21:38               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 12:31                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 15:53                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 19:26                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 19:38                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 23:22                         ` close return value (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks) Zack Weinberg
2002-07-17  1:03                           ` Alan Cox
2002-07-16 23:52                             ` close return value David S. Miller
2002-07-17  1:35                               ` Alan Cox
2002-07-17  0:20                                 ` David S. Miller
2002-07-17  1:05                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-17  1:05                                     ` David S. Miller
2002-07-17  1:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-17 11:51                                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-17 17:23                                           ` Andries Brouwer
2002-07-20  8:00                                         ` Florian Weimer
2002-07-20 16:45                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-26  0:06                                             ` EFAULT vs. SIGSEGV [was Re: close return value] Pavel Machek
2002-07-26 14:01                                               ` (no subject) Alexis Deruelle
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.1026868201.10433.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-07-18  0:01                                     ` close return value Pete Zaitcev
2002-07-18  0:10                                       ` Thunder from the hill
     [not found]                                       ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/200207180001.g6I015f02681@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
2002-07-18 14:42                                         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-18 15:13                                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 15:32                                             ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-18 23:47                                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-19 16:12                                             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-19 16:24                                               ` Joseph Malicki
2002-07-19 18:48                                                 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-19 19:25                                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-07-19 19:30                                                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-07-19 19:45                                                       ` Joseph Malicki
2002-07-19 19:55                                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-07-20 18:25                                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-07-20 23:06                                                         ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-20 14:42                                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-07-18 20:09                                       ` Hildo.Biersma
2002-07-18 23:55                                         ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-07-19 11:31                                           ` Hildo.Biersma
2002-07-19 16:16                                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-07-23 22:19                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-17  0:10                             ` close return value (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks) Zack Weinberg
2002-07-17  1:45                               ` Alan Cox
2002-07-17 18:24                                 ` Zack Weinberg
2002-07-22 16:42                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-07-17  8:00                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-07-17 15:49                                 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-17  2:22                             ` Elladan
2002-07-17  2:54                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-17  3:00                                 ` Elladan
2002-07-17  3:10                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-17  3:31                                     ` Elladan
2002-07-17  4:17                               ` Stevie O
2002-07-17  4:38                                 ` Elladan
2002-07-17 14:39                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2002-07-17 16:49                                     ` Elladan
2002-07-17 17:43                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-17 22:07                                         ` Elladan
2002-07-18  9:48                                         ` Ketil Froyn
2002-07-17 17:17                                   ` Andries Brouwer
2002-07-17 17:51                                     ` Richard Gooch [this message]
2002-07-17  7:34                               ` close return value (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Kai Henningsen
2002-07-15 21:59               ` Ketil Froyn
2002-07-15 23:08                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-07-16 12:33                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 22:55             ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 21:58               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 21:14           ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 21:31             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 22:12               ` Richard A Nelson
2002-07-16  1:02               ` Lawrence Greenfield
     [not found]                 ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/200207160102.g6G12BiH022986@lin2.andrew.cmu.edu>
2002-07-16  1:43                   ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-16  1:56                     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 12:47                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 21:09                     ` James Antill
2002-07-16 12:35             ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16  7:07     ` Dax Kelson
     [not found] <fa.lfdnrtv.5h8i1j@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.i1e82rv.1digoa4@ifi.uio.no>
2002-07-17  3:46   ` close return value (was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks) Russ Allbery

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