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From: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about pseudo filesystems
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:27:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020907192736.A22492@kushida.apsleyroad.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0209070858380.21690-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>; from viro@math.psu.edu on Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:36:26AM -0400

Alexander Viro wrote:
> If your rules are "it's pinned as long as there are opened files created
> by foo()" - very well, there are two variants.  The basic idea is the same
> - have sum of ->mnt_count for all vfsmounts of our type bumped whenever we
> call foo() and drop whenever final fput() is done on a file created by foo().

Thanks -- that's what I implemented, except I used a semaphore instead
of a spinlock.

I wanted to check that it's safe to call `mntput' from `->release()',
which seems like quite a dubious thing to depend on.  But if you say it
is safe, that's cool.

> > It's a good example of why the module interface is stupidly wrong, and
> > __exit needs to be called by the module unloader, returning 0 if it's
> > ok to unload.  Then your __exit can whatever condition it's interested
> > in and, if all is well, do the kern_umount.
> 
> BS.  Instead of playing silly buggers with "oh, we will start exiting
> and maybe we'll bail out, let's just hope we won't find that we want
> to do that after we'd destroyed something" you need to decide what kind
> of rules you really want for the module lifetime.  The rest is trivial.
> Again, variant (a) (which is absolutely straightforward - add one line
> in foo(), modify one line in foo(), delete one line in init) is enough
> to give the desired rules.  Optimizing it if needed is not too hard -
> see (b) for one possible variant...

Unfortunately, your suggestion, which I ended up implementing, is not
safe from race conditions.

The problem comes during the call to `->release()'.  If that's really
the last reference to the module, than as soon as I call `mntput' the
module might be unloaded.  In practice this doesn't happen, but if there
were a long scheduling delay... (see CONFIG_PREEMPT), it could.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-07 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-04 18:02 Question about pseudo filesystems Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 12:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 13:36   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-07 18:27     ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2002-09-07 19:47       ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-08  2:21         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-08  2:43           ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-15  1:41             ` Moving a mount point (was Re: Question about pseudo filesystems) Rob Landley
2002-09-08 16:00           ` Question about pseudo filesystems Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 19:48             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-09 20:06               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  0:44                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:40                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  1:56                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  2:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  3:26                         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  3:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  9:15                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 10:17                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 18:35                       ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 18:53                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 19:20                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 20:29                             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 21:15                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 21:26                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-11 21:47                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:42                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  2:09                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-12  3:13                                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  3:47                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  3:53                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-12  4:11                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  4:40                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:27                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 14:46                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-09-13  0:39                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:23                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  5:35                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  4:52                                             ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:58                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  7:00                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  8:18                                           ` Helge Hafting
2002-09-12  3:32                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:31                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  9:10                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-12 11:27                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-12 13:03                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12 13:44                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13  1:30                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:19                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  6:51                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13 13:34                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 13:52                                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:09                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:33                                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:44                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:59                                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:17                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:27                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:37                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  2:17                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 16:13                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:36                                         ` Understanding the Principles of Argumentation #3 Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:42                                           ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-09-16 17:29                                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-16 22:31                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-01 14:13                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-01 14:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-13 15:59                                     ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  3:14                                 ` David Gibson
2002-09-13 10:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 13:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:13                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 15:30                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:55                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 16:09                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 16:39                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 17:12                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:24                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-16  1:49                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 21:36                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-16 21:48                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 22:44                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 15:28                 ` Question about pseudo filesystems Bill Davidsen
2002-09-11 19:36                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 20:12               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 22:56                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:39                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-09 20:18               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  6:48                 ` Kai Henningsen

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