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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: jbradford@dial.pipex.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (WAS Re: [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:30:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021004073010.GC4260@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200210040717.g947Hx2P000478@darkstar.example.net>

On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:17:58AM +0100, jbradford@dial.pipex.com wrote:
> > Hm, must have missed those.  I haven't seen any USB 2.0 complaints in
> > quite some time.  The majority of USB "issues" are crappy usb storage
> > devices that don't match the USB storage spec, or PCI IRQ routing
> > problems.
> 
> We have to code for the devices that are out there.  Big deal if we
> follow the spec to the letter - if Mr Average plugs in his USB device
> and it doesn't work, well, it doesn't work.  It's no good lecturing
> him on the spec.  I don't usually take that view, but when there are a
> large number of broken devices, what are the other options?

I agree, we must make these devices work.  But when your dealing with
odd devices, that violate the spec in random ways, and you don't have
documentation on how these devices are broken, and you aren't getting
paid to provide support for these devices, development can be a bit slow
at times.  And because of these factors, we will almost always lag
behind the OSes that manufacturers directly support.

> > But hey, no one cares about USB, I'm used to it :)
> 
> I certainly don't care about USB, I don't even have a USB port on my
> main box, but if you're saying that the current support is 3.0
> material, then I totally disagree.

I didn't say that it was "3.0 material", you did.

What is pretty major is the core device model.  Lots of driver api
changes and cleanups have happened in 2.5.  It's almost starting to look
sane in places :)

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-04  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 206+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-24  1:54 [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem logging macros, SCSI RAID device driver Larry Kessler
2002-09-24  2:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-26 15:52   ` Alan Cox
2002-09-26 22:55     ` [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem logging macros, SCSI RAIDdevice driver Larry Kessler
2002-09-26 22:58       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-26 23:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-27  2:27           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-27  4:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-28  7:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-28  9:16                 ` jw schultz
2002-09-30 14:05                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-09-30 10:22                     ` Tomas Szepe
2002-09-30 11:10                       ` jw schultz
2002-09-30 11:17                       ` Adrian Bunk
2002-09-30 19:48                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-30 20:30                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-09-28 15:40                 ` Kernel version [Was: Re: [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem logging macros, SCSI RAIDdevice driver] Horst von Brand
2002-09-29  1:31                 ` v2.6 vs v3.0 Linus Torvalds
2002-09-29  6:14                   ` james
2002-09-29  6:55                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-09-29 12:59                     ` Gerhard Mack
2002-09-29 13:46                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-09-29 14:06                         ` Wakko Warner
2002-09-29 15:42                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 16:21                           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-29 16:17                             ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-30  0:39                             ` Jeff Chua
2002-09-29 16:22                           ` Dave Jones
2002-09-29 16:26                             ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 21:46                             ` Matthias Andree
2002-09-30  7:05                               ` Michael Clark
2002-09-30  7:22                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-30 13:08                                   ` Kevin Corry
2002-09-30 13:05                                 ` Kevin Corry
2002-09-30 13:49                                   ` Michael Clark
2002-09-30 14:26                                     ` Kevin Corry
2002-09-30 13:59                                   ` Michael Clark
2002-09-30 15:50                                     ` Kevin Corry
2002-09-29 17:06                       ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-09-29 15:18                     ` Trever L. Adams
2002-09-29 15:45                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 15:59                         ` Trever L. Adams
2002-09-29 16:06                           ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 16:13                             ` Trever L. Adams
2002-09-30  6:54                               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-09-30 18:40                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-01 12:38                                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-10-04 19:58                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-29 17:42                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-29 17:54                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-29 18:24                       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-30  7:56                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-30  9:53                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-09-30 11:54                             ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-30 12:58                           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-30 13:05                             ` Jens Axboe
2002-10-01  2:17                               ` Andre Hedrick
2002-09-30 16:39                       ` jbradford
2002-09-30 16:47                     ` Pau Aliagas
2002-09-29  7:16                   ` jbradford
2002-09-29  8:08                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-29  8:17                     ` David S. Miller
2002-09-29  9:12                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 11:19                       ` Murray J. Root
2002-09-29 15:50                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-30  7:01                           ` Kai Henningsen
2002-09-29 16:04                         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-09-29 14:56                       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-29 15:38                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 16:30                           ` Dave Jones
2002-09-29 16:42                           ` Bjoern A. Zeeb
2002-09-29 21:16                           ` Russell King
2002-09-29 21:32                             ` Alan Cox
2002-09-29 21:49                             ` steve
2002-09-29 21:52                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-09-30  7:31                             ` Tomas Szepe
2002-09-30 15:33                           ` Jan Harkes
2002-09-30 18:13                           ` Jeff Willis
2002-09-29 17:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-29 18:13                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2002-09-30 19:32                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-01  6:26                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-10-01  7:54                           ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-10-01  8:27                             ` Jens Axboe
2002-10-01  8:44                               ` jbradford
2002-10-01 11:31                             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-01 11:25                               ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 15:34                     ` Andi Kleen
2002-09-29 17:26                       ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-09-29 17:35                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-30  0:00                         ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-01 19:28                         ` IPv6 stability (success story ;) Petr Baudis
2002-09-29  9:15                   ` v2.6 vs v3.0 Jens Axboe
2002-09-29 19:53                     ` james
2002-09-29 15:26                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-09-29 16:24                     ` Alan Cox
2002-09-29 22:00                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-09-30 19:02                       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-30 18:37                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-03 15:51               ` [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (WAS Re: [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem logging macros, SCSI RAIDdevice) jbradford
2002-10-03 15:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-03 16:16                   ` [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (WAS Re: [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem jbradford
2002-10-03 22:30                     ` Greg KH
2002-10-04  6:33                       ` jbradford
2002-10-04  6:37                         ` Greg KH
2002-10-04  7:17                           ` jbradford
2002-10-04  7:30                             ` Greg KH [this message]
2002-10-03 16:37                   ` [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (WAS Re: [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem logging macros, SCSI RAIDdevice) Alan Cox
2002-10-03 16:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-03 17:40                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-03 19:55                       ` jlnance
2002-10-03 16:51                   ` Dave Jones
2002-10-03 17:04                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-03 20:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-03 22:05                       ` Dave Jones
2002-10-04  3:46                         ` Andreas Boman
2002-10-04  7:44                         ` jbradford
2002-10-03 19:51                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-04 22:26                   ` [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (NUMA) Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-04 23:13                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-05  0:21                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-05  0:36                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-05  1:25                           ` Michael Hohnbaum
2002-10-05 20:30                       ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (NUMA)) Rob Landley
2002-10-06  2:15                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-06  9:42                           ` Russell King
2002-10-06 17:06                             ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 13:44                           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-06 15:19                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-06 15:14                               ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-07  8:08                               ` Helge Hafting
2002-10-07  9:18                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-07 14:11                                   ` Jan Hudec
2002-10-07 15:01                                     ` Jesse Pollard
2002-10-07 15:34                                       ` Jan Hudec
2002-10-08  3:12                                         ` [OT] " Scott Mcdermott
2002-10-10 23:49                                           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-10-07 15:15                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-08 13:49                                   ` Helge Hafting
2002-10-07 17:43                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 18:31                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-07 18:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-07 20:14                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:31                                       ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not3.0 " Andrew Morton
2002-10-07 20:46                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-07 20:44                                       ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 " Linus Torvalds
2002-10-07 21:16                                         ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not3.0 " Andrew Morton
2002-10-07 23:47                                           ` jw schultz
2002-10-11  0:02                                           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-10-07 18:58                                   ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 " Chris Friesen
2002-10-07 19:21                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 19:35                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-08  0:39                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-10-08  2:59                                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-08 16:15                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-10-08 19:39                                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-08 17:06                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 19:36                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-08  2:36                                       ` Simon Kirby
2002-10-08  2:47                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-08  2:50                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-08  2:54                                           ` Simon Kirby
2002-10-08  3:00                                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-08 16:17                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-10-08 12:49                                           ` jlnance
2002-10-08 17:09                                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-10 20:53                                               ` Thomas Zimmerman
2002-10-08 13:54                                       ` Helge Hafting
2002-10-08 15:31                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-07 19:05                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 19:24                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-07 20:02                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 20:14                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-07 20:22                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 20:28                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-07 21:16                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 21:55                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-07 22:02                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-07 22:12                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-08  8:49                                                   ` Padraig Brady
2002-10-07 22:14                                             ` Charles Cazabon
2002-10-30 18:26                                   ` Lee Leahu
2002-10-06  6:33                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-10-07  5:28                         ` John Alvord
2002-10-07  8:39                         ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 n Giuliano Pochini
2002-10-07 13:56                         ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (NUMA)) Jesse Pollard
2002-10-07 14:03                           ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 22:14                             ` Jesse Pollard
2002-10-08 19:11                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09  8:17                             ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-07 18:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-08  8:19                             ` Jan Hudec
2002-10-11 23:53                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-11 20:26                           ` Rob Landley
2002-10-12  4:14                             ` Nick LeRoy
2002-10-13 17:27                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-12 10:03                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-13 17:32                               ` Rob Landley
2002-10-13 23:51                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-14 16:33                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-10-14  7:10                                 ` Nikita Danilov
2002-10-21 15:36                                   ` [OT] Please don't call it 3.0!! (was Re: The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (NUMA))) Calin A. Culianu
2002-10-21 16:20                                     ` Wakko Warner
2002-10-12 11:42                             ` The reason to call it 3.0 is the desktop (was Re: [OT] 2.6 not 3.0 - (NUMA)) Matthias Andree
2002-10-12 14:56                               ` Hugh Dickins
2002-09-27 11:32       ` [PATCH-RFC] 4 of 4 - New problem logging macros, SCSI RAIDdevice driver Alan Cox

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