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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
Cc: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>, Gigi Duru <giduru@yahoo.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:09:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021012040940.GE10722@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E180DTC-0000VA-00@starship>

On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 06:01:42AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> It has more to do with the fact that nobody has been using 2.5 until
> recently, because of bio and ide breakage.  It's a big mistake to
> dismiss his request as unimportant.  However, I strongly agree with the
> idea that interested people/companies should put up hard cash to get
> this work done.

This hard cash is already being spent, here and now, and it is being
spent on programmer salaries and the equipment for them to work on.

Believe it or not, the businesses shelling out paychecks in our
directions are not charities and as such the work we do for them must
be directed to meet their needs. The reality is that the technical
knowledge programmers have of kernel (and hardware, and app) mechanics
is relayed in some form, no matter how dumbed down, up the food chain,
and if concerns are expressed and action taken by those working in the
field they will either be heeded by the effective organizations or
dismissed by those doomed to failure.

This is work, even if we ourselves would play in the same manner. If
effort, contributions, and visible benefits are not provided,
demonstrated, and delivered in a timely fashion, you -will- lose out,
and your own needs and those of your organization will not be addressed.

Bill

P.S.: This is not a flame.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-12  4:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-05 19:36 The end of embedded Linux? Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 19:46 ` Francois Romieu
2002-10-05 19:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-10-05 19:53 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-05 20:52   ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 20:58     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  1:54       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 23:28       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-06  0:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  1:52     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06 20:20       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  2:01         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06  4:28     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:53       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 18:50         ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 10:06         ` simon
2002-10-07 10:36           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 11:57             ` Russell King
2002-10-07 12:10               ` Abraham vd Merwe
2002-10-07 14:12                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:05               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:02                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 16:20                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-07 16:38                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:53                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-07 17:45                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 18:11                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 18:54                       ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 19:11                         ` Russell King
2002-10-07 20:05                           ` Ben Greear
2002-10-12 10:08                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-14 12:26                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-07 17:15             ` simon
2002-10-07 17:24               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:22               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:22                 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-10-07 22:52                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:56                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-09 11:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-08 10:11                 ` simon
2002-10-08 11:11                   ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:53                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-08 12:09                       ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 20:04                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:53                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 22:38                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 11:27                   ` jw schultz
2002-10-09  7:37                     ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-09 11:49                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-09 11:53                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-09 19:17                           ` jbradford
2002-10-09 23:49                             ` jw schultz
2002-10-13 16:30                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-09 12:42                       ` Ian Molton
2002-10-10  4:47                       ` Shane Nay
2002-10-08 15:52                   ` David Lang
2002-10-09 10:53                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-07 10:55           ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-07 17:20             ` simon
2002-10-07 22:59               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:15         ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:22       ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:41         ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 21:56           ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 19:44             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 13:22               ` Thomas Molina
2002-10-08 16:34                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:20           ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 19:50             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 15:04               ` Matt Porter
2002-10-08 16:52                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 11:38                   ` Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 12:15                     ` [patch] show Fusion MPT dialog only when CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD is set Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 19:55                       ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 19:54                     ` [PATCH]: Move Fusion MPT config menu into scsi driver support (was Re: The end of embedded Linux?) Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:01         ` The end of embedded Linux? Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 23:47             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  0:06               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  1:23             ` Xcytame@yahoo.es
2002-10-06 13:02     ` Ian Molton
2002-10-05 19:53 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 22:23 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-05 23:28   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06  1:57     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-12  4:01   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-12  4:09     ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2002-10-06  0:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:41 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:50   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  1:00     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 22:24   ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:54     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-07  1:33     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 22:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07  9:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210061854190.24860-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-10-07  5:38 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  5:42   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  6:06     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 12:04   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:00     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 12:32       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:29         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 13:06   ` Dana Lacoste
2002-10-07 20:04 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 23:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08  0:10   ` jw schultz
2002-10-08  9:36 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08  9:51 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08 20:00 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 12:05 Hicks, Jamey
2002-10-12 20:45 Hell.Surfers

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