From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:12:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:12:55 -0400 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:40580 "EHLO mail.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:12:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:18:40 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Richard Stallman Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Message-ID: <20021013171840.B1011@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from rms@gnu.org on Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:48:22PM -0400 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Our position: 1) No free licenses for our competition, they can buy them if they like. 2) The software is not open source because the open source business model doesn't have a prayer of supporting the development costs. 3) If you had built a decent system instead of sitting around and whining, we could be doing something else instead of sitting around listening to your whining. On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:48:22PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > The new restrictions on Bitkeeper, saying that people who contribute > to CVS or Subversion and even companies that distribute them cannot > even run Bitkeeper, have sparked outrage. > restrictions are new, their spirit fits perfectly with the previous > Bitkeeper license. > > The spirit of the Bitkeeper license is the spirit of the whip hand. > It is the spirit that says, "You have no right to use Bitkeeper, only > temporary privileges that we can revoke. Be grateful that we allow > you to use Bitkeeper. Be grateful, and don't do anything we dislike, > or we may revoke those privileges." It is the spirit of proprietary > software. Every non-free license is designed to control the users > more or less. Outrage at this spirit is the reason for the free > software movement. (By contrast, the open source movement prefers to > play down this same outrage.) > > If the latest outrage brings the spirit of the non-free Bitkeeper > license into clear view, perhaps that will be enough to convince the > developers of Linux to stop using Bitkeeper for Linux development. > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm