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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
To: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
Cc: Brian Jackson <brian-kernel-list@mdrx.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, evms-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Evms-devel] Re: Linux v2.5.42
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:23:23 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021014042323.GP3045@clusterfs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1034531191.6032.4498.camel@phantasy>

On Oct 13, 2002  13:46 -0400, Robert Love wrote:
> And this is really entirely the wrong attitude to take.  "Linux does not
> have volume management" and "High-end Linux applications need volume
> management" do not logically imply "we need to merge EVMS."

Well, I think the attitude is more like "I've never used volume
management, and high-end systems use volume management, therefore only
high end systems will benefit from volume management".

It's like Fortran programmers saying "I've gotten by with only static
memory allocation all of these years, do dynamic memory allocation in
C is just useless".  (Yes, I know "them's fightin' words" ;-)

The truth is that once you've gotten used to the LVM paradigm, going
back to "partitions" sucks, a lot.  Not having to over-allocate huge
gobs of disk to partitions because you don't want to backup, reformat, 
restore, repeat each time you manage to run out of space in a partition
is a big win, whether you're administering 1 disk drive or 1000.

Being able to create temporary volumes for whatever need strikes you,
increasing the amount of free space in your filesystem while it's
mounted, that's a big win in my books, even on a laptop (maybe even
_especially_ on a laptop where you can't easily add another disk).

Maybe there are some warts in EVMS, but that doesn't mean we don't
need it (or equivalent) in Linux.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-14  4:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-12 17:14 Linux v2.5.42 Mark Peloquin
2002-10-12 19:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-12 19:37   ` jbradford
2002-10-13 23:55     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-13 12:41 ` [Evms-devel] " Michael Clark
2002-10-13 13:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-13 15:16     ` Michael Clark
2002-10-13 15:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-13 16:11         ` Brian Jackson
2002-10-13 16:26           ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-10-13 17:06             ` Brian Jackson
2002-10-13 19:58               ` Mark Hahn
2002-10-13 19:57                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-13 20:26                   ` Sean Neakums
2002-10-24 11:45                   ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-13 19:59                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-13 20:24                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-10-14 15:11                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 22:27                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-10-14  4:55                 ` [Evms-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2002-10-13 17:46           ` Robert Love
2002-10-13 18:34             ` Brian Jackson
2002-10-14  4:23             ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2002-10-14 16:08               ` [Evms-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 14:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-13 16:18         ` [Evms-devel] " Michael Clark
2002-10-13 17:10           ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-13 17:41             ` Michael Clark
2002-10-14  4:43               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-14 16:16                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 15:21               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 14:42             ` Shawn
2002-10-14 15:15           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 14:20         ` Shawn
2002-10-14 16:15           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14 21:34             ` Shawn
2002-10-14 16:21           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 16:38             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-14 21:47             ` Shawn
2002-10-15  7:42               ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
2002-10-14 21:48             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-14 21:55               ` Shawn
2002-10-14 22:35                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-14 22:53                   ` Shawn
2002-10-14 23:04                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-14 23:16                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-14 23:30                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-15  0:10                         ` Andrew Clausen
2002-10-14 22:57                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-13 13:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 23:57 [Evms-devel] " Mark Peloquin
2002-10-15 14:51 Steve Pratt
2002-10-15 21:18 ` Andrew Clausen

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