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From: Denis Vlasenko <vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
To: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>,
	skraw@ithnet.com (Stephan von Krawczynski)
Cc: john@grabjohn.com (John Bradford), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Are linux-fs's drive-fault-tolerant by concept?
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:09:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200304210900.h3L90vu07375@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200304201421.h3KELqIU000303@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>

On 20 April 2003 17:21, John Bradford wrote:
> > What is so bad about the simple way: the one who wants to write
> > (e.g. fs) and knows _where_ to write simply uses another newly
> > allocated block and dumps the old one on a blacklist. The blacklist
> > only for being able to count them (or get the sector-numbers) in
> > case you are interested. If you weren't you might as well mark them
> > allocated and that's it (which I would presume a _bad_ idea). If
> > there are no free blocks left, well, then the medium is full. And
> > that is just about the only cause for a write error then (if the
> > medium is writeable at all).
>
> Modern disks generally do this kind of thing themselves.  By the time
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
How many times does Stephan need to say it? 'Generally do'
is not enough, because it means 'sometimes they dont'.

Most filesystems *are* designed with badblock lists and such,
it is possible to teach fs drivers to tolerate write errors
by adding affected blocks to the list and continuing (as opposed
to 'remounted ro, BOOM!'). As usual, this can only happen if someone
will step forward and code it.

Do you think it would be a Wrong Thing to do?
--
vda

  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-21  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-19 16:04 Are linux-fs's drive-fault-tolerant by concept? Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 15:29 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-19 17:00   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 22:04     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20 16:24       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 13:59     ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 16:55       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 17:12         ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:21           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 18:48             ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20 20:00               ` John Bradford
2003-04-21  1:51                 ` jw schultz
2003-04-19 21:13   ` Jos Hulzink
2003-04-20 16:07     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 16:40       ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:01         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 17:20           ` John Bradford
2003-04-21  9:32             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21  9:55               ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 11:24                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 11:50                   ` Alan Cox
2003-04-21 12:14                   ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 16:22 ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 16:36   ` Russell King
2003-04-19 16:45     ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 16:52   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 20:04     ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 20:33       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-21  9:25         ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-21  9:42           ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 10:25             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 10:50               ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 20:38       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 14:21         ` John Bradford
2003-04-21  9:09           ` Denis Vlasenko [this message]
2003-04-21  9:35             ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 11:03               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 12:04                 ` John Bradford
2003-04-21 11:22               ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-21 11:46                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 12:13                 ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 20:05     ` John Bradford
2003-04-19 23:13     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-04-19 17:54   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-04-25  0:07   ` Stewart Smith
2003-04-25  0:52     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-25  7:13       ` John Bradford
     [not found] ` <20030419161011$0136@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-19 17:18   ` Florian Weimer
2003-04-19 18:07     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-19 18:41       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2003-04-19 20:56         ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-19 21:15           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-20 10:51             ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-20 19:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-19 21:57         ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20 10:09         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-21  8:37         ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-05-05 12:38         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-19 22:02     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-20  8:41       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-04-25  0:11     ` Stewart Smith
2003-04-20 15:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 15:19 ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:03 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 17:25 ` John Bradford
2003-04-20 17:28 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-21  9:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-20 17:28 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 17:44 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-20 17:44 Chuck Ebbert
     [not found] <mail.linux.kernel/20030420185512.763df745.skraw@ithnet.com>
     [not found] ` <03Apr21.020150edt.41463@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2003-04-21 11:19   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-21 11:52     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-21 14:14     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-05-06  7:03       ` Mike Fedyk

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