From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: "Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com>,
Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@clear.net.nz>,
Marc Giger <gigerstyle@gmx.ch>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
Linux Kernel Development <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Fix SWSUSP & !SWAP
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:25:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030424002551.GA2980@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1592050000.1051142225@flay>
Hi!
> >> > From: Martin J. Bligh [mailto:mbligh@aracnet.com]
> >> > Can't you just create a pre-reserved separate swsusp area on
> >> > disk the size
> >> > of RAM (maybe a partition rather than a file to make things
> >> > easier), and
> >> > then you know you're safe (basically what Marc was
> >> > suggesting, except pre-allocated)? Or does that make me the
> >> > prince of all evil? ;-)
> >> >
> >> > However much swap space you allocate, it can always all be
> >> > used, so that seems futile ...
> >>
> >> This is what Other OSes do, and I believe this is the correct path.
> >> Using swap for swsusp is a clever hack but not a 100% solution.
> >
> > Well, for normal use its clearly inferior -- suspend partition is unused
> > when it could be used for speeding system up by swapping out unused
> > stuff.
> >
> > OtherOS approach is better because it can guarantee suspend-to-disk
> > for critical situations like overheat or battery-critical.
> >
> > But we can get best of both worlds if we OOM-kill during critical
> > suspend. [If suspend partition was not used for swapping, machine
> > would *already* OOM-killed someone, so we are only improving stuff].
>
> OK ... but at least having the *option* to have a separate reserved
> area would be nice, no? For most people, RAM is just a tiny amount
> of their disk space ... and damn, does it make the code simpler ;-)
If it is an *option*, it does not make code simpler.
And OOM-killing during suspend is just what you want. It makes suspend
deterministic but it might kill someone. [Well, your solution would
kill him sooner than that...]
Pavel
--
When do you have a heart between your knees?
[Johanka's followup: and *two* hearts?]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-04-24 0:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-23 23:47 Fix SWSUSP & !SWAP Grover, Andrew
2003-04-24 0:03 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 23:57 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 0:25 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2003-04-24 0:37 ` CaT
2003-04-24 0:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 9:16 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 0:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24 0:23 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 0:45 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 3:17 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24 4:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 7:49 ` Marc Giger
2003-04-24 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 3:49 ` David Ford
2003-04-24 6:54 ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-24 7:01 ` Elladan
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-23 13:51 Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 14:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-23 14:47 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 15:56 ` gigerstyle
2003-04-23 19:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-23 20:36 ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 22:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-23 23:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 23:58 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 23:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 0:07 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 0:17 ` CaT
2003-04-24 0:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24 0:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-04-24 0:31 ` CaT
2003-04-24 0:38 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 0:54 ` CaT
2003-04-24 1:06 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 8:48 ` John Bradford
2003-04-24 0:37 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 9:12 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 9:25 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 9:35 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 9:46 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 11:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24 11:36 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 14:26 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 16:37 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-24 20:48 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 21:46 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25 1:09 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25 12:59 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-25 16:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25 18:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25 19:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 19:58 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-27 18:59 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 11:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-25 1:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25 1:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25 1:31 ` Hua Zhong
2003-04-25 19:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25 4:27 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25 4:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-24 0:25 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 9:01 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 9:14 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 9:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 9:34 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 15:22 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-04-24 8:00 ` Marc Giger
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