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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: "Grover, Andrew" <andrew.grover@intel.com>,
	Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@clear.net.nz>,
	Marc Giger <gigerstyle@gmx.ch>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Linux Kernel Development <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Fix SWSUSP & !SWAP
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:25:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030424002551.GA2980@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1592050000.1051142225@flay>

Hi!

> >> > From: Martin J. Bligh [mailto:mbligh@aracnet.com] 
> >> > Can't you just create a pre-reserved separate swsusp area on 
> >> > disk the size 
> >> > of RAM (maybe a partition rather than a file to make things 
> >> > easier), and 
> >> > then you know you're safe (basically what Marc was 
> >> > suggesting, except pre-allocated)? Or does that make me the 
> >> > prince of all evil? ;-)
> >> > 
> >> > However much swap space you allocate, it can always all be 
> >> > used, so that seems futile ...
> >> 
> >> This is what Other OSes do, and I believe this is the correct path.
> >> Using swap for swsusp is a clever hack but not a 100% solution.
> > 
> > Well, for normal use its clearly inferior -- suspend partition is unused
> > when it could be used for speeding system up by swapping out unused
> > stuff.
> > 
> > OtherOS approach is better because it can guarantee suspend-to-disk
> > for critical situations like overheat or battery-critical.
> > 
> > But we can get best of both worlds if we OOM-kill during critical
> > suspend. [If suspend partition was not used for swapping, machine
> > would *already* OOM-killed someone, so we are only improving stuff].
> 
> OK ... but at least having the *option* to have a separate reserved
> area would be nice, no? For most people, RAM is just a tiny amount
> of their disk space ... and damn, does it make the code simpler ;-)

If it is an *option*, it does not make code simpler.

And OOM-killing during suspend is just what you want. It makes suspend
deterministic but it might kill someone. [Well, your solution would
kill him sooner than that...]
								Pavel

-- 
When do you have a heart between your knees?
[Johanka's followup: and *two* hearts?]

  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-24  0:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-23 23:47 Fix SWSUSP & !SWAP Grover, Andrew
2003-04-24  0:03 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 23:57   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  0:25     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2003-04-24  0:37       ` CaT
2003-04-24  0:49       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  9:16         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:02   ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24  0:23     ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:45     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  3:17       ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24  4:37         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  7:49           ` Marc Giger
2003-04-24  9:27           ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  3:49   ` David Ford
2003-04-24  6:54     ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-24  7:01     ` Elladan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-23 13:51 Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 14:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-23 14:47   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 15:56     ` gigerstyle
2003-04-23 19:41       ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-23 20:36         ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 22:25           ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-23 23:28             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 23:58               ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 23:55                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  0:07                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  0:17                   ` CaT
2003-04-24  0:16                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24  0:26                       ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-04-24  0:31                         ` CaT
2003-04-24  0:38                         ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  0:54                           ` CaT
2003-04-24  1:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  8:48                           ` John Bradford
2003-04-24  0:37                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  9:12                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:25                           ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  9:35                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:46                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 11:13                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-24 11:36                                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24 14:26                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 16:37                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-24 20:48                                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 21:46                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25  1:09                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25 12:59                                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-25 16:20                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25 18:28                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25 19:32                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 19:58                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-27 18:59                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 11:36                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-25  1:22                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25  1:19                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2003-04-25  1:31                                       ` Hua Zhong
2003-04-25 19:41                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25  4:27                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-25  4:33                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-24  0:25                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:01                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-24  9:14                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  9:05                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  9:34                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 15:22                     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-04-24  8:00             ` Marc Giger

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