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From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de>,
	Marc Giger <gigerstyle@gmx.ch>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	pat@suwalski.net
Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered.
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:16:49 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030424101649.K3557@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29360000.1051159644@[10.10.2.4]>; from mbligh@aracnet.com on Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:47:25PM -0700

Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Not sure what you mean. Load kernel, load xmms. hit play. Sound comes out.
> Goodness.

Well, replace "load kernel" with "boot system", and we're in violent
agreement :-)

> So we can fix it in userspace, and decided a sensible non-zero default
> there, but are somehow incapable of doing that *inside* the kernel? Sorry,
> I don't buy that. 

No, you still have to make a guess, but you don't need to involve
the kernel. (I think Redmond owns most of the intellectual property
on "if you don't know where to put it, put it in the kernel, for it
will be faster and more secure that way", so we shouldn't use this
paradigm too often :-)

Since choosing this default is something between the distribution
maker and the user, they can

 - choose to leave it silent ("expert mode")
 - perhaps use other information they've gathered at install time
 - reuse old stored settings (e.g. look for an aumixrc)
 - pop up a dialog
 - print a warning
etc.

> The old "document the bugs" arguement.

;-) True, but in this case, you're very likely to run into problems
if you don't religiously follow Documentation/Changes anyway. And
there are people I fully expect to read this line by line - namely
the distribution makers. And they're exactly the ones who need to
be aware of this issue.

> Bugs should be fixed, not documented.

It's a feature :-)

- Werner

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-24 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-23 16:23 [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 16:32 ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 16:45 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 16:56   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:21     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 13:26       ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 17:26         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:45           ` Disconnect
2003-04-23 17:47           ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 18:44             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:49           ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 18:56           ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-23 22:17         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 22:35           ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 22:55             ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  2:19               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  2:29                 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24  2:34                   ` Ben Collins
2003-04-24  7:22                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 13:31                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  4:30                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-23 23:15             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 21:34     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-23 21:36       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 22:14         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-23 22:18           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 22:55             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  0:11             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  0:43               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  1:11                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  1:18                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  1:22                   ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24  2:11                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  2:40                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  3:37                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  4:47                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 13:16                           ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2003-04-24  7:14                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 13:38                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 13:49                             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 14:08                               ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 14:34                                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 15:04                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 15:23                                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 16:01                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 16:26                                         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2003-04-24 21:22                                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 10:03                                             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2003-04-25 10:30                                               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 21:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 23:55                               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25  0:05                                 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-25 10:41                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 10:04                                     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-25 17:44                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 17:59                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-26  0:31                                           ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 22:51       ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:31 Ian Kumlien

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