From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264685AbTD0RJS (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:09:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264682AbTD0RJS (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:09:18 -0400 Received: from bristol.phunnypharm.org ([65.207.35.130]:7073 "EHLO bristol.phunnypharm.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264685AbTD0RJQ (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:09:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:04:17 -0400 From: Ben Collins To: Larry McVoy , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Message-ID: <20030427170417.GZ2774@phunnypharm.org> References: <20030424083730.5F79A2127F@dungeon.inka.de> <20030424085913.GH28253@mail.jlokier.co.uk> <3EA804A8.8070608@techsource.com> <1051209350.4004.6.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20030424192941.E1425@almesberger.net> <20030427142106.GA24244@merlin.emma.line.org> <20030427165959.GC6820@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030427165959.GC6820@work.bitmover.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > The open source community, in my opinion, is certainly a contributing > factor in the emergence of the DMCA and DRM efforts. This community > thinks it is perfectly acceptable to copy anything that they find useful. > Take a look at some of the recent BK flamewars and over and over you > will see people saying "we'll clone it". That's not unique to BK, > it's the same with anything else which is viewed as useful. And nobody > sees anything wrong with that, or copying music, whatever. "If it's > useful, take it" is the attitude. Cloning is not illegal, nor is it something that the DMCA/DRM is supposed to protect against. Wanting things for free is not illegal, nor does it contribute to illegal behavior. Larry, I do take a bit of offense to your blanket statement, basically calling me a thief. I don't pirate software, I respect copyrights (I don't use BK anymore even under the free license, because I respect your license/copyrights). I pay for my music, even though I do convert it to mp3 so I can fit 130 songs on a CDR to play in my truck. That's not illegal. Yeah, I've used the mp3 trading to download music for some of my old CD's that are now too scratched up to backup. That's perfectly moral, even if it becomes illegal. Maybe one day it wont be legal. The music companies will sell media that is easily damaged so that people will have a lifecycle for their purchased music. Or maybe they'll make you pay per play, or charge you a subscription for "1000 song playlists". Call me paranoid. Plain and simple, I am not a contributing factor to the DMCA/DRM. And claiming that the community that I take great pride in being a part of is in fact nothing but a bunch of thieves with low morals just pisses me off. Putting all of us on the same level as the zero-day-warez groups is pretty fucked up. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/