From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262120AbTD0Xy0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:54:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262186AbTD0Xy0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:54:26 -0400 Received: from willow.seitz.com ([146.145.147.180]:45834 "EHLO willow.seitz.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262120AbTD0XyZ (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:54:25 -0400 From: Ross Vandegrift Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:06:35 -0400 To: Larry McVoy , Alan Cox , Larry McVoy , Chris Adams , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Message-ID: <20030428000635.GA25756@willow.seitz.com> References: <20030427183553.GA955879@hiwaay.net> <20030427185037.GA23581@work.bitmover.com> <20030427220717.GA24991@willow.seitz.com> <20030427223255.GH23068@work.bitmover.com> <1051481114.15485.33.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20030427232835.GM23068@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030427232835.GM23068@work.bitmover.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 04:28:35PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > Maybe it fuels you, it certainly doesn't fuel me. As far as I know, > nobody who works here has ever run clearcase or looked at their file > formats. All of the clearcase knowledge I have has come indirectly > through customers who have told me how it works. At this point I have > a pretty good idea how it works but at no time did we ever attempt to > emulate or improve on clearcase. Well, but if you made a more advanced SCM tool, then yes, you improved on Clearcase. Therein lies the flaw in your arguement - you're saying the community needs to start really innovating, but really - what's innovation? If BK is better off because of user feedback, and you said above those users used Clearcase, BK is at least part a copy of Clearcase. There's no way around that - every person who creates has influences. In BK's case that influence is indirect, but c'mon - without that feedback, which is based on Clearcase, BK would be something different. You're asking people to not have any influences. > I'm much more interested in the definition of "best". > What is the best answer? OK, let's build that. How did you find that "best", if it didn't come failed attempts? Were you born with an image of the ideal SCM tool in your head? Did you stumble upon it in the woods one day? I don't see how the idea could've developed without influences. -- Ross Vandegrift ross@willow.seitz.com A Pope has a Water Cannon. It is a Water Cannon. He fires Holy-Water from it. It is a Holy-Water Cannon. He Blesses it. It is a Holy Holy-Water Cannon. He Blesses the Hell out of it. It is a Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon. He has it pierced. It is a Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon. He makes it official. It is a Canon Holey Wholly Holy Holy-Water Cannon. Batman and Robin arrive. He shoots them.