From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264992AbTF1AUJ (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:20:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264994AbTF1ATl (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:19:41 -0400 Received: from smtp.bitmover.com ([192.132.92.12]:53448 "EHLO smtp.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264982AbTF1ASX (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:18:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:32:18 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Ben Collins Cc: Andrew Morton , davidel@xmailserver.org, davem@redhat.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: networking bugs and bugme.osdl.org Message-ID: <20030628003218.GE18676@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Ben Collins , Andrew Morton , davidel@xmailserver.org, davem@redhat.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com References: <20030626.224739.88478624.davem@redhat.com> <21740000.1056724453@[10.10.2.4]> <20030627.143738.41641928.davem@redhat.com> <20030627213153.GR501@phunnypharm.org> <20030627162527.714091ce.akpm@digeo.com> <20030627223024.GT501@phunnypharm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030627223024.GT501@phunnypharm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 7, AWL, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 06:30:24PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > > - The bugs which are affecting people the most get reported the most. > > Not to mention the "breeding" affect. A bug that many people have seen > only once, but can never pinpoint because they can't reproduce it. One > of those people reports the problem to the mailing list, and suddenly > half a dozen respond with "me too, but here's some extra info that I > saw". You can't get that with a bug database. I can't believe that I'm dumb enough to ask this given the BK experience. We've built BugDB technology and we're quite interested in trying to make a system that works for engineers as well as managers. All that DB crud is great for managers who want metrics but engineers want an easy way to deal with the bugs. For example, an email interface. Our bugdb already has that, the emails include a URL so you can go look at that and do stuff to it but you can also reply to the email and do everything through the email interface. An NNTP interface is in the works. Is there any interest in having us mirror the bugzilla DB and work on making an interface that works for people with different needs? I had already assumed that I'd get hissed out of the room if I proposed this so feel free to say no if that's what you want. On the other hand, this one is maybe easier to swallow than BK because the interfaces are standard protocols (SMTP, HTTP, NNTP and maybe IMAP or POP some day) so you don't have to put your fingers on any evil BitMover software to get at it. If you do want us to look at this then I'd suggest that you elect someone to come up with a proposal that the community finds acceptable, i.e., if you use it then we have to do some stuff like - free access for everyone - data exported in CSV form so other people can get at it - ??? If you say you want it then we have to figure out some way that the community is happy up front. I'd suggest that Alan define the relationship, he has credibility, he doesn't like BK, he's smart enough to not get talked into something unreasonable, etc. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm