From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265440AbTF1WPM (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:15:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265438AbTF1WPL (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:15:11 -0400 Received: from 81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk ([81.2.122.30]:23680 "EHLO 81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265434AbTF1WPE (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:15:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:37:22 +0100 From: John Bradford Message-Id: <200306282237.h5SMbMEm000443@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk> To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, davem@redhat.com Subject: Re: networking bugs and bugme.osdl.org Cc: davidel@xmailserver.org, greearb@candelatech.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org, mbligh@aracnet.com, netdev@oss.sgi.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > If users send their report to the wrong place, it will get lost, > just like if their cat their report into /dev/null. I have no reason > to feel bad about the information getting lost. Also, remember that we sometimes get no response when something is fixed, which is especially true when the fix happens by itself. E.G. 2.5.foo released Bug reported to LKML, and nobody responds. 2.5.bar released Bug re-reported to LKML, still nobody answers, maybe it's not a very detailed bug report, or everybody is too busy. 2.5.baz released No bug report. We have so far been assuming in this discussion that 2.5.baz won't have fixed the bug. It's not entirely impossible that 2.5.baz _will_ have fixed the bug - maybe a subsystem was being overhauled anyway, and it was generally known on the list that the bug existed. By not letting bug reports expire, we'd have a lot of unclosed bugs that were really fixed. There is an analogy with TCP: Compare: SYN --> <-- ACK DATA --> FIN --> and SYN --> <-- ACK DATA --> with: Bug report --> Bug report --> <-- Please test this patch Follow up bug report --> <-- Please test this patch Follow up bug report --> <-- Please test this patch OK, thanks, it works --> <-- Glad it worked and Bug report --> Bug report --> <-- Please test this patch Follow up bug report --> <-- Please test this patch <-- Please test this patch <-- Please test this patch > If it's too much for them to do as I ask, it's too much for > me to consider their report. > > Bug reporting, just like patch submission, is a 2 way street. It's not even a case of effort, more that you need 2 way communication to successfully fix a bug. You need to know that the fix worked initially, continues to work, and that it doesn't break anything else, otherwise you might be adding more bugs. John.