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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
Cc: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Eric Varsanyi <e0206@foo21.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch][RFC] epoll and half closed TCP connections
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:10:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030713211045.GD21612@mail.jlokier.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKIEEPEFAA.davids@webmaster.com>

David Schwartz wrote:
> 	For most real-world loads, M is some fraction of N. The fraction
> asymptotically approaches 1 as load increases because under load it takes
> you longer to get back to polling, so a higher fraction of the descriptors
> will be ready when you do.

Ah, but as the fraction approaches 1, you'll find that you are
asymptotically approaching the point where you can't handle the load
_regardless_ of epoll overhead.

> 	By the way, I'm not arguing against epoll. I believe it will use less
> resources than poll in pretty much every conceivable situation. I simply
> take issue with the argument that it has better ultimate scalability or
> scales at a different order.

It scales according to the amount of work pending, which means that it
doesn't take any _more_ time than actually doing the pending work.
(This assumes you use epoll appropriately; there are many ways to use
epoll which don't have this property).

That was always the complaint about select() and poll(): they dominate
the run time for large numbers of connections.  epoll, on the other
hand, will always be in the noise relative to other work.

If you want a formula for slides :), time_polling/time_working is O(1)
with epoll, but O(N) with poll() & select().

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-13 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-12 18:16 [Patch][RFC] epoll and half closed TCP connections Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 19:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-12 20:51   ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 20:48     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 21:19       ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 21:20         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 21:41         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 23:11           ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 23:55             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13  1:05               ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-13 20:32       ` David Schwartz
2003-07-13 21:10         ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2003-07-13 23:05           ` David Schwartz
2003-07-13 23:09             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  8:14               ` Alan Cox
2003-07-14 15:03                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  1:27             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 21:14         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 23:05           ` David Schwartz
2003-07-13 23:11             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 23:52             ` Entrope
2003-07-14  6:14               ` David Schwartz
2003-07-14  7:20                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  1:51             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  6:14               ` David Schwartz
2003-07-15 20:27             ` James Antill
2003-07-16  1:46               ` David Schwartz
2003-07-16  2:09                 ` James Antill
2003-07-13 13:12     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 16:55       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 20:01 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13  5:24   ` David S. Miller
2003-07-13 14:07     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 17:00       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 19:15         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 23:03           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  1:41             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  2:24               ` POLLRDONCE optimisation for epoll users (was: epoll and half closed TCP connections) Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  2:37                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  2:43                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  2:56                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  3:02                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  3:16                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  3:21                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  3:42                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  4:00                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  5:51                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  6:24                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  6:57                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  3:12                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  3:17                       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  3:35                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  3:04                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  3:12                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  3:27                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 17:09     ` [Patch][RFC] epoll and half closed TCP connections kuznet
2003-07-14 17:09       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 21:45       ` Jamie Lokier

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