PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

I've decided to oggify my CD collection, and every now and
again, the mouse pointer goes bezerk is if I had been
shaking it around and randomly clicking on things.
In the logs are lots of..

psmouse.c: Lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away.

It only happens whilst cdparanoia is reading from the CD.
The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
according to the logs, its happened 32 times since I last
booted..  /proc/interrupts shows that the i8042 is using
a different interrupt to the IDE devices..

Mouse is a logitech wheely PS/2 mouse, using ImPS/2 protocol
in X config reading from /dev/psaux.

This is using 2.6test1, I'don't recall ever seeing this
happen in 2.4, but it did occur for a while earlier in 2.5,
and I forgot about it until now.

Any ideas?

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
> I've decided to oggify my CD collection, and every now and
> again, the mouse pointer goes bezerk is if I had been
> shaking it around and randomly clicking on things.
> In the logs are lots of..
> 
> psmouse.c: Lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away.
> 
> It only happens whilst cdparanoia is reading from the CD.
> The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
> according to the logs, its happened 32 times since I last
> booted..  /proc/interrupts shows that the i8042 is using
> a different interrupt to the IDE devices..
> 
> Mouse is a logitech wheely PS/2 mouse, using ImPS/2 protocol
> in X config reading from /dev/psaux.
> 
> This is using 2.6test1, I'don't recall ever seeing this
> happen in 2.4, but it did occur for a while earlier in 2.5,
> and I forgot about it until now.
> 
> Any ideas?

Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
interrupts with -u1. Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
be lots more smooth.

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:03:52PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:

 > > It only happens whilst cdparanoia is reading from the CD.
 > > The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
 > interrupts with -u1.

See above 8-) It was the first thing I tried when I observed this phenomenon.

 > Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
 > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
 > be lots more smooth.

Ah right, I thought cdparanoia was still ripper de jour..
What's recommended these days?

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Alan Cox]

On Mer, 2003-07-16 at 18:03, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
> > according to the logs, its happened 32 times since I last

> Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
> interrupts with -u1. Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses

He already is 

> SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
> be lots more smooth.

So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:03:52 +0200, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>  said:

> Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
> interrupts with -u1. Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
> SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
> be lots more smooth.

Dumb user question - which rippers support SG_IO?  I've been using cdparanoia
mostly for lack of a good reason to migrate - but this sounds like a good reason. ;)

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Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:03:52PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> 
>  > > It only happens whilst cdparanoia is reading from the CD.
>  > > The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  > Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
>  > interrupts with -u1.
> 
> See above 8-) It was the first thing I tried when I observed this phenomenon.

Oh right, sorry.

>  > Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
>  > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
>  > be lots more smooth.
> 
> Ah right, I thought cdparanoia was still ripper de jour..
> What's recommended these days?

It is, unfortunately it uses read/write on /dev/sg* directly so cannot
be used with "new path" that is so much faster. It's been a while since
I looked, I can check for a good cdda ripper that uses SG_IO tomorrow if
you don't find one first.

I'm about to cave in and add block emulation of that part, too. It's a
bit more code, though.

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2003-07-16 at 18:03, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
> > > according to the logs, its happened 32 times since I last
> 
> > Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
> > interrupts with -u1. Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
> 
> He already is 

Yeah I noticed know :)

> > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
> > be lots more smooth.
> 
> So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
> this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?

Dave, have you tried 2.4 newest? Some of the newer IDE stuff kept
interrupts off for ages, maybe it's on 2.4 also. Also Dave, can you try
and do a vmstat 1 while ripping and PS2 dropping out?

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:03:52 +0200, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>  said:
> 
> > Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
> > interrupts with -u1. Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
> > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
> > be lots more smooth.
> 
> Dumb user question - which rippers support SG_IO?  I've been using
> cdparanoia mostly for lack of a good reason to migrate - but this
> sounds like a good reason. ;)

Not a dumb question at all, see my previous mail :). In short, I don't
know. I'm sure a little collective effort could hunt some down (cdda2wav
should work, since it uses libscg presumable).

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:13:23PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:

 > > Ah right, I thought cdparanoia was still ripper de jour..
 > > What's recommended these days?
 > 
 > It is, unfortunately it uses read/write on /dev/sg* directly so cannot
 > be used with "new path" that is so much faster. It's been a while since
 > I looked, I can check for a good cdda ripper that uses SG_IO tomorrow if
 > you don't find one first.

Ok. I'll add a note about this to post-halloween-2.5 sometime too
when www.codemonkey.org.uk reappears again.
[sidenote: please folks, no more mails telling me about this site going away,
 it'll be back real soon, it just had to be 'upgraded' to a raq2, which didn't
 go quite as smoothly as planned.].

 > I'm about to cave in and add block emulation of that part, too. It's a
 > bit more code, though.

If it'll make apps like cdparanoia take the fast path without needing
rewriting, then that sounds like a good idea, if only to stop the
'dancing mouse' problem, though this does seem to be running away
from a bug rather than fixing it. The real question is why are the
two interacting with each other like this..

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Markus Plail]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
> Ah right, I thought cdparanoia was still ripper de jour..  What's
> recommended these days?

I'd say readcd. It also has a paranoia mode.

regards
Markus

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:

 > > > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
 > > > be lots more smooth.
 > > So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
 > > this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?
 > Dave, have you tried 2.4 newest?

I've not booted a 2.4 kernel since 2.4.20..

 > Some of the newer IDE stuff kept
 > interrupts off for ages, maybe it's on 2.4 also.

I can try sometime if you want to know.. (I've got plenty more
CDs that need encoding, so I'll have plenty of opportunity to
see this bug if its there 8-)

 > Also Dave, can you try
 > and do a vmstat 1 while ripping and PS2 dropping out?

Ok, I just fired that up in another window.
When it happens next, I'll mail off a snapshot..

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:13:23PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> 
>  > > Ah right, I thought cdparanoia was still ripper de jour..
>  > > What's recommended these days?
>  > 
>  > It is, unfortunately it uses read/write on /dev/sg* directly so cannot
>  > be used with "new path" that is so much faster. It's been a while since
>  > I looked, I can check for a good cdda ripper that uses SG_IO tomorrow if
>  > you don't find one first.
> 
> Ok. I'll add a note about this to post-halloween-2.5 sometime too
> when www.codemonkey.org.uk reappears again.
> [sidenote: please folks, no more mails telling me about this site going away,
>  it'll be back real soon, it just had to be 'upgraded' to a raq2, which didn't
>  go quite as smoothly as planned.].

Isn't it always like that? :)

>  > I'm about to cave in and add block emulation of that part, too. It's a
>  > bit more code, though.
> 
> If it'll make apps like cdparanoia take the fast path without needing
> rewriting, then that sounds like a good idea, if only to stop the

That would be the point, yes. Whether it's worth it depends on how many
programs are using sg and not SG_IO that we care about.

> 'dancing mouse' problem, though this does seem to be running away
> from a bug rather than fixing it. The real question is why are the
> two interacting with each other like this..

The bug wants fixing too, of course. I'm betting it's time spent in
the ide interrupt handler that's killing it. So it can be made a little
better, but not a lot. non-dma ripping is always going to pull you down.
Even if you didn't have problems, you'd spend 80% of the cpu time
getting data off the drive leaving only 20% for encoding + the rest. If
you get the dma path going, it'll basically leave the system idle when
ripping (1-2% sys or something like that, in the noise almost).

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> 
>  > > > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
>  > > > be lots more smooth.
>  > > So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
>  > > this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?
>  > Dave, have you tried 2.4 newest?
> 
> I've not booted a 2.4 kernel since 2.4.20..

You should try 2.4.21, basically any 2.4 with the newer ide stuff.

>  > Some of the newer IDE stuff kept
>  > interrupts off for ages, maybe it's on 2.4 also.
> 
> I can try sometime if you want to know.. (I've got plenty more
> CDs that need encoding, so I'll have plenty of opportunity to
> see this bug if its there 8-)

Would be interesting to hear how they compare.

>  > Also Dave, can you try
>  > and do a vmstat 1 while ripping and PS2 dropping out?
> 
> Ok, I just fired that up in another window.
> When it happens next, I'll mail off a snapshot..

Thanks.

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:25:31PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
 > > I've not booted a 2.4 kernel since 2.4.20..
 > You should try 2.4.21, basically any 2.4 with the newer ide stuff.
 > Would be interesting to hear how they compare.

Ok, I'll take a look later this evening if time permits..

 > >  > Also Dave, can you try
 > >  > and do a vmstat 1 while ripping and PS2 dropping out?
 > > Ok, I just fired that up in another window.
 > > When it happens next, I'll mail off a snapshot..
 > Thanks.

Well, that didn't take long..

procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
 2  0 109376   9632   2576  44368    0    0   136    28 1636  1304  1  4 90  4
 0  0 109376   8036   2588  45852    0    0  1492     0 2166 15874  2 11 82  5
 1  0 109376   8036   2588  45852    0    0     0     0 1089  1230  1  1 99  0
 1  0 109376   8004   2612  45896    0    0     8   144 2660  1088  1 11 85  4
 1  0 109376   5880   2616  46436    0    0     0     0 1338  1263  2 24 74  0
 2  0 109376   5512   2576  45320    0    0     0    72 2108  1434  4 35 61  0
 2  0 109376   5816   2520  45252   56    0    60   940 1852  2340  6 33 59  2
 1  0 109376   4880   2448  45800    0    0     0   520 1940  2930  6 33 60  2
 0  0 109376   5468   2412  45300    0    0    16  1672 2504  3077  9 42 44  7
 1  0 109376   5532   2396  45792    0    0     0   344 2172  3504  4 33 61  2
 1  0 109376   4132   2416  46452    0    0     8     4 2727  3483  5 39 54  1
 0  0 109376   4864   2384  45484    0    0     4  1324 2186  3448  5 34 59  4
 1  0 109376   5024   2384  46436    0    0     0   600 2484  3533  4 36 58  2

Lost sync here. Mouse dancing. vmstat output stopped for a few seconds.

 1  3 109376   5480   2404  45396   88    0   136  1760 2371  3391  6 41 44 10
 2  2 109376   4924   2200  43200  340    0  1688   312 2272  5477 19 49  2 29
 1  1 109376   4660   2224  45056  568    0  1524     0 2835  3675 15 45  9 31
 3  1 109376  17964   2224  31028  720    0  1232  1468 2095  2518 12 43 24 22
 2  4 109376  19148   2232  29060  532    0   864     4 2307  5684 22 57  6 15
 4  0 109376  18716   2240  29732   68    0    68  1728 2037  6512 26 49 20  6
 3  0 109376  18264   2240  29228  164    0   164     0 2078  7674 31 52 11  6
 1  0 109376  17208   2452  29816  220    0   416    40 2455  9701 36 61  4  0
cprocs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
 5  1 109376  15384   2476  31404   20    0   856    96 1929 10534 29 52 17  2
 6  1 109376  17084   2408  28828   28    0  4416  2280 2162  7640 25 60  2 14
 1  4 109376   3872   2388  27416    8    0  7864   740 2078  7232 20 53  1 26
 7  3 109376  19380   2280  27876  124    0  2560   108 2247  4298 19 52  0 30
 2  1 109376  17444   2184  28692  104    0  2412     0 2117  6171 24 52  1 24
 8  1 109376   5052   2148  26460   24    0  2848   668 2007  5297 31 61  0  8
 4  0 109376  20208   2152  27260  216    0  2520   336 2126  5398 23 55  5 17
 2  0 109376  20284   2164  25956    0    0     4  2688 1890  4921 30 47 17  5
 3  0 109376   4332   2164  26772    0    0    16     0 2201  6067 39 56  6  0

regained control of mouse here.

 2  0 109376  20896   2160  26052   44    0    44     4 2032  5131 37 53  9  0
 2  1 109376   4424   2236  26796  200    0   328     0 2160  5662 41 51  7  2
 3  0 109376  18596   2264  27616  172    0   428  2824 2067  7553 29 60  4  6
 4  2 109376  12576   2280  28540  624    0   832  1136 1956  7002 28 53  4 14
 1  1 109376   8768   2288  29660  708    0  1084     0 2278  2027  7 36 15 43
 1  1 109376   6308   2400  31004  108    0   836   140 2206  2868 12 37 19 33
 3  1 109376   4488   2424  31728    0    0    40  2840 2277  1720 10 42  7 42
 1  0 109376  12124   2460  31216    0    0    96   596 1578  1805  7 38 42 12

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
>  > >  > Also Dave, can you try
>  > >  > and do a vmstat 1 while ripping and PS2 dropping out?
>  > > Ok, I just fired that up in another window.
>  > > When it happens next, I'll mail off a snapshot..
>  > Thanks.
> 
> Well, that didn't take long..
> 
> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
>  2  0 109376   9632   2576  44368    0    0   136    28 1636  1304  1  4 90  4
>  0  0 109376   8036   2588  45852    0    0  1492     0 2166 15874  2 11 82  5
>  1  0 109376   8036   2588  45852    0    0     0     0 1089  1230  1  1 99  0
>  1  0 109376   8004   2612  45896    0    0     8   144 2660  1088  1 11 85  4
>  1  0 109376   5880   2616  46436    0    0     0     0 1338  1263  2 24 74  0
>  2  0 109376   5512   2576  45320    0    0     0    72 2108  1434  4 35 61  0
>  2  0 109376   5816   2520  45252   56    0    60   940 1852  2340  6 33 59  2
>  1  0 109376   4880   2448  45800    0    0     0   520 1940  2930  6 33 60  2
>  0  0 109376   5468   2412  45300    0    0    16  1672 2504  3077  9 42 44  7
>  1  0 109376   5532   2396  45792    0    0     0   344 2172  3504  4 33 61  2
>  1  0 109376   4132   2416  46452    0    0     8     4 2727  3483  5 39 54  1
>  0  0 109376   4864   2384  45484    0    0     4  1324 2186  3448  5 34 59  4
>  1  0 109376   5024   2384  46436    0    0     0   600 2484  3533  4 36 58  2
> 
> Lost sync here. Mouse dancing. vmstat output stopped for a few seconds.

Doesn't look really bogged down by interrupt load, still half idle. So
that looks like a PS2 bug. Unless the irq latencies are really bad, I
guess that could be it too. Vojtech knows a hell of a lot more about
that than me :)

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:17:06PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
 > > Dumb user question - which rippers support SG_IO?  I've been using
 > > cdparanoia mostly for lack of a good reason to migrate - but this
 > > sounds like a good reason. ;)
 > 
 > Not a dumb question at all, see my previous mail :). In short, I don't
 > know. I'm sure a little collective effort could hunt some down (cdda2wav
 > should work, since it uses libscg presumable).

For info, I just tried cdda2wav, and whilst it used less CPU than
cdparanoia, the dancing mouse effect still occurs 8-(

		Dave

-- 
 Dave Jones     http://www.codemonkey.org.uk

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jens Axboe]

On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:17:06PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
>  > > Dumb user question - which rippers support SG_IO?  I've been using
>  > > cdparanoia mostly for lack of a good reason to migrate - but this
>  > > sounds like a good reason. ;)
>  > 
>  > Not a dumb question at all, see my previous mail :). In short, I don't
>  > know. I'm sure a little collective effort could hunt some down (cdda2wav
>  > should work, since it uses libscg presumable).
> 
> For info, I just tried cdda2wav, and whilst it used less CPU than
> cdparanoia, the dancing mouse effect still occurs 8-(

Can you check whether it uses SG_IO ioctl (0x2285) or read/write on
/dev/sg*?  Strace please :)

-- 
Jens Axboe

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Andrew Morton]

Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
> > be lots more smooth.
> 
> So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
> this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?

input layer, I think.  Several people are having problems with the
synchronisation loss thing.

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Alan Cox]

On Mer, 2003-07-16 at 18:31, Jens Axboe wrote:
> Doesn't look really bogged down by interrupt load, still half idle. So
> that looks like a PS2 bug. Unless the irq latencies are really bad, I
> guess that could be it too. Vojtech knows a hell of a lot more about
> that than me :)

PS/2 has some horrble timing rules but they are the wrong way around for this
bug so I'm somewhat baffled - you must do 1mS sized delays between ps/2 
reads even on some current chipsets but there isnt really an upper limit

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Vojtech Pavlik]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:10:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2003-07-16 at 18:03, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
> > > according to the logs, its happened 32 times since I last
> 
> > Yes. You can try and make the situation a little better by unmasking
> > interrupts with -u1. Or you can try and use a ripper that actually uses
> 
> He already is 
> 
> > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
> > be lots more smooth.
> 
> So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
> this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?

This is basically because the check for lost bytes wasn't present in
2.4. Now that it is there, it works well with real lost bytes, but will
fire also in case when the mouse interrupt was delayed for more than
half a second, or if indeed a mouse interrupt gets lost. The 2.5 kernel
by default programs the mouse to high speed reporting (up to 200 updates
per second). This may, possibly make the problem show up easier. There
might be real lost bytes on some machines, too. This can be checked by
defining DEBUG in i8042.c

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs, SuSE CR

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Vojtech Pavlik]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:23:31PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:16:07PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> 
>  > > > SG_IO, that way you can use dma (and zero copy) for the rips. That will
>  > > > be lots more smooth.
>  > > So why isnt this occuring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
>  > > this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?
>  > Dave, have you tried 2.4 newest?
> 
> I've not booted a 2.4 kernel since 2.4.20..
> 
>  > Some of the newer IDE stuff kept
>  > interrupts off for ages, maybe it's on 2.4 also.
> 
> I can try sometime if you want to know.. (I've got plenty more
> CDs that need encoding, so I'll have plenty of opportunity to
> see this bug if its there 8-)

Dave, can you please enable the DEBUG in i8042.c so that I can see
whether the bytes really get lost or if the unsync check is just
triggering by mistake?

>  > Also Dave, can you try
>  > and do a vmstat 1 while ripping and PS2 dropping out?
> 
> Ok, I just fired that up in another window.
> When it happens next, I'll mail off a snapshot..
> 
> 		Dave
> 

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs, SuSE CR

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Kristofer T. Karas]

Jens Axboe wrote:

>On Wed, Jul 16 2003, Dave Jones wrote:
>  
>
>>Lost sync here. Mouse dancing. vmstat output stopped for a few seconds.
>>    
>>
>Doesn't look really bogged down by interrupt load, still half idle. So
>that looks like a PS2 bug. Unless the irq latencies are really bad,
>

FWIW, this also affects PPP over an async serial line (in my case to a 
56Kb modem).  During cdparanoia runs, the modem Tx/Rx lights all but 
stop as the missed packets drop retransmissions into the minute+ 
timeframe.  (Oddly, I don't recall seeing framing errors from ifconfig; 
must be the lower level ppp substrate or some such...)

I can confirm this with 2.4.20, am mostly certain it affects 2.4.21 
(will have to retest to be sure).  Similarly to Dave, I'm using an 
IDE/ATAPI burner with both DMA and UNMASKIRQ enabled.

Kris

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:03:35 EDT, "Kristofer T. Karas" said:

> FWIW, this also affects PPP over an async serial line (in my case to a 
> 56Kb modem).  During cdparanoia runs, the modem Tx/Rx lights all but 
> stop as the missed packets drop retransmissions into the minute+ 
> timeframe.  (Oddly, I don't recall seeing framing errors from ifconfig; 
> must be the lower level ppp substrate or some such...)

I remember seeing this in the 2.5.6mumble kernel as well, it got fixed by
something around 2.5.70 or so.  I wish I could give a more specific release
number for it.

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Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:00:18PM +0200, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:

 > Dave, can you please enable the DEBUG in i8042.c so that I can see
 > whether the bytes really get lost or if the unsync check is just
 > triggering by mistake?

Intriguing. With DEBUG enabled, I get a few gig of logs, but
I can't trigger the dancing mouse pointer any more. With it
disabled, I can reproduce it within a minute or two.

Seems to be a timing related bug.

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Vojtech Pavlik]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:30:02PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:00:18PM +0200, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
> 
>  > Dave, can you please enable the DEBUG in i8042.c so that I can see
>  > whether the bytes really get lost or if the unsync check is just
>  > triggering by mistake?
> 
> Intriguing. With DEBUG enabled, I get a few gig of logs, but
> I can't trigger the dancing mouse pointer any more. With it
> disabled, I can reproduce it within a minute or two.
> 
> Seems to be a timing related bug.

Ouch.

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs, SuSE CR

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Andries Brouwer]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:10:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2003-07-16 at 18:03, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > The IDE CD drive is using DMA, and interrupts are unmasked.
> > > according to the logs, its happened 32 times since I last
> 
> So why isnt this occurring on 2.4 .. thats the important question here is
> this a logging thing, a new input layer bug, an ide bug or what ?

The default kernel can spend very large amounts of time in IDE code.
With DMA it can be seconds.
With PIO it can be minutes.
This means that with PIO one may think that the system crashed, and see
(under X) keyboard or mouse actions only after for example two minutes.
With DMA things are much better, but still a delay of seconds
is very noticeable.

The input code used to have

        if (psmouse->pktcnt && time_after(jiffies, psmouse->last + HZ/20)) {
                printk(KERN_WARNING "psmouse.c: Lost synchronization, throwing \
%d bytes away.\n", psmouse->pktcnt);
                psmouse->pktcnt = 0;
        }

and I patched it to HZ/2, that helps, but is still not good enough.


Andries

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:53:19PM +0200, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
 > >  > Dave, can you please enable the DEBUG in i8042.c so that I can see
 > >  > whether the bytes really get lost or if the unsync check is just
 > >  > triggering by mistake?
 > > 
 > > Intriguing. With DEBUG enabled, I get a few gig of logs, but
 > > I can't trigger the dancing mouse pointer any more. With it
 > > disabled, I can reproduce it within a minute or two.
 > > 
 > > Seems to be a timing related bug.
 > 
 > Ouch.

Finally managed to recreate it.
http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/cruft/dancingmouse.txt

>From 00:01:33 to 00:01:40 the box was having a fit.
Then things returned to normal.

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Vojtech Pavlik]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:31:24AM +0100, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:53:19PM +0200, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
>  > >  > Dave, can you please enable the DEBUG in i8042.c so that I can see
>  > >  > whether the bytes really get lost or if the unsync check is just
>  > >  > triggering by mistake?
>  > > 
>  > > Intriguing. With DEBUG enabled, I get a few gig of logs, but
>  > > I can't trigger the dancing mouse pointer any more. With it
>  > > disabled, I can reproduce it within a minute or two.
>  > > 
>  > > Seems to be a timing related bug.
>  > 
>  > Ouch.
> 
> Finally managed to recreate it.
> http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/cruft/dancingmouse.txt
> 
> >From 00:01:33 to 00:01:40 the box was having a fit.
> Then things returned to normal.

Thanks! This is very interesting. Most likely the problem started with
the "aux, 0" byte ...

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
SuSE Labs, SuSE CR

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Alan Cox]

Dave just a random pondering looking over the code - does it make any
difference if you stick a udelay(50) at the top of wait_read and
wait_write in i8042.c. Right now we don't always seem to honour the
delays for certain specific patterns of I/O and interrupt.

Ditto the read_status/read_data loop in the _interrupt code path.

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:15:11AM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote:

 > > For info, I just tried cdda2wav, and whilst it used less CPU than
 > > cdparanoia, the dancing mouse effect still occurs 8-(
 > Stupid question:

Very stupid. [just kidding.. 8-)] 

 > the PS/2 and the ide channel is not maybe sharing an irq,

I answered this in my first mail, no it isn't.

 >or some ACPI weirdness of a kind ?

Not tried without ACPI. I'll give it a shot if I get time before
heading off to the airport..

		Dave

-- 
 Dave Jones     http://www.codemonkey.org.uk

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Dave Jones]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:15:04PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
 > Dave just a random pondering looking over the code - does it make any
 > difference if you stick a udelay(50) at the top of wait_read and
 > wait_write in i8042.c. Right now we don't always seem to honour the
 > delays for certain specific patterns of I/O and interrupt.
 > 
 > Ditto the read_status/read_data loop in the _interrupt code path.

No joy.

		Dave

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jacek Kawa]

I wrote:

[...]
> > This was interesting: 2.5 programs the mouse differently than 2.4.
> > I've been having ps2 mouse problems with the 2.5 input layer,
> > including having to move the mouse much further for a given
> Strange. Here I've got problems with my mouse being actually 'to fast'
> (when working with X-Window; I had to slow it down about 2 times via
> xset to be able to work 'normally'; Actually -since I could not find
> any related bugreports or complains - I thought it was something with 
> how my version of X works with new layer) 

Once I upgraded X to 4.3 and changed /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice 
everything is OK (and I'm quite happy it works :)

I guess (now) that it's not much related to other problems mentioned in this
thread, but if you think it might be helpful I can post some more info.

BTW - For testing purposes I've tested few different combinations:

AC -'another computer' MC- 'my computer'; both: kernel 2.6.0t1, recently
    upgraded Debian SID

AC  X4.2 and /dev/psaux ->ok
    X4.3 and /dev/psaux -> ok (I hope my sister won't
                               be angry, that I've reconfigured
			       her system when she's back home 8)

MC with different mouse -> no change
MC with different values of xres, yres, psmouse_resolution parameters -> no change

MC, X4.2 and /dev/psaux -> too fast
    X4.2 and /dev/psaux & ACPI off -> too fast
    X4.3 and /dev/psaux -> too fast
    X4.2 and /dev/input/mice -> too fast
          (IIRC - I'm _almost_ sure I tried it with 
 		2.5.75 few days ago [and it did not work])
    X4.3 and /dev/input/mice -> ok

[cut]

jk :-)

-- 
Jacek Kawa

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Jacek Kawa]

Mikael Pettersson wrote:

> >This is basically because the check for lost bytes wasn't present in
> >2.4. Now that it is there, it works well with real lost bytes, but will
> >fire also in case when the mouse interrupt was delayed for more than
> >half a second, or if indeed a mouse interrupt gets lost. The 2.5 kernel
> >by default programs the mouse to high speed reporting (up to 200 updates
> >per second). This may, possibly make the problem show up easier.
> This was interesting: 2.5 programs the mouse differently than 2.4.
> I've been having ps2 mouse problems with the 2.5 input layer,
> including having to move the mouse much further for a given
> cursor movement, and a general jerky/unstable feeling of the mouse.

Strange. Here I've got problems with my mouse being actually 'to fast'
(when working with X-Window; I had to slow it down about 2 times via
xset to be able to work 'normally'; Actually -since I could not find
any related bugreports or complains - I thought it was something with 
how my version of X works with new layer) 

> 2.4's pc_keyb.c has (disabled by default) init code which puts the
> mouse in 100 samples/s and 2:1 scaling, whereas 2.5 puts it into
> 200 samples/s and 1:1 scaling. So I hacked psmouse-base.c to mimic
> 2.4, and VOILA! now my mouse feels A LOT better.

And here it goes even faster than before. 
Live is indeed full of suprises :)

[cut]

jk

-- 
Jacek Kawa  

Re: PS2 mouse going nuts during cdparanoia session.

[Mikael Pettersson]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:56:19 +0200, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
>This is basically because the check for lost bytes wasn't present in
>2.4. Now that it is there, it works well with real lost bytes, but will
>fire also in case when the mouse interrupt was delayed for more than
>half a second, or if indeed a mouse interrupt gets lost. The 2.5 kernel
>by default programs the mouse to high speed reporting (up to 200 updates
>per second). This may, possibly make the problem show up easier.

This was interesting: 2.5 programs the mouse differently than 2.4.
I've been having ps2 mouse problems with the 2.5 input layer,
including having to move the mouse much further for a given
cursor movement, and a general jerky/unstable feeling of the mouse.

2.4's pc_keyb.c has (disabled by default) init code which puts the
mouse in 100 samples/s and 2:1 scaling, whereas 2.5 puts it into
200 samples/s and 1:1 scaling. So I hacked psmouse-base.c to mimic
2.4, and VOILA! now my mouse feels A LOT better.

The crude patch below shows what I did. (I have to set psmouse_noext
as well, to avoid misidentification, jerkiness/lost syncs, and
utter mayhem upon resume from suspend.)

Would you accept a cleaned up patch which allows the rate and
scaling to be adjusted, similarly to noext and resolution?

/Mikael

--- linux-2.6.0-test1/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c.~1~	2003-06-23 13:07:37.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6.0-test1/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse-base.c	2003-07-17 01:23:57.000000000 +0200
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@
 
 #define PSMOUSE_LOGITECH_SMARTSCROLL	1
 
-static int psmouse_noext;
+static int psmouse_noext = 1;
 int psmouse_resolution;
 int psmouse_smartscroll = PSMOUSE_LOGITECH_SMARTSCROLL;
 
@@ -435,7 +435,7 @@
 	param[0] = 100;
 	psmouse_command(psmouse, param, PSMOUSE_CMD_SETRATE);
 
-	param[0] = 200;
+	param[0] = 100;
 	psmouse_command(psmouse, param, PSMOUSE_CMD_SETRATE);
 
 /*
@@ -443,7 +443,8 @@
  */
 
 	psmouse_set_resolution(psmouse);
-	psmouse_command(psmouse,  NULL, PSMOUSE_CMD_SETSCALE11);
+#define PSMOUSE_CMD_SETSCALE21 0x00e7
+	psmouse_command(psmouse,  NULL, PSMOUSE_CMD_SETSCALE21);
 
 /*
  * We set the mouse into streaming mode.