From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265870AbTGSPTj (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:19:39 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S270049AbTGSPTj (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:19:39 -0400 Received: from adedition.com ([216.209.85.42]:58117 "EHLO mark.mielke.cc") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265870AbTGSPTh (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:19:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:34:23 -0400 From: Mark Mielke To: "Eric W. Biederman" Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Bitkeeper Message-ID: <20030719153423.GA17587@mark.mielke.cc> References: <1058558982.2479.28.camel@aurora.localdomain> <20030718221730.GF2289@matchmail.com> <1058567990.19512.103.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 02:20:31AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Alan Cox writes: > > > I don't think Alan is using BK. I could be wrong though. > > I'm not - and with the snapshots neither I or anyone else is forced to. > For the linux kernel. The problem is the satellite projects which > adopt bitkeeper less carefully. Unless there is a general gateway I > have missed. They do not provide snapshots? As long as tar files are distributed for each minor release, there is no true 'lock in'. If you need a gateway for a specific satellite project, there are people that could probably hook you up with the software required, and if there are other people in your situation, one of them probably has enough CPU + network + disk resources to host it. The Bit Keeper issue is entirely a philosophical one. I understand that Linus chooses to use it, because it allows him to be more efficient. Alan Cox chooses not to use it (I'm not clear on his reasons, but I assume they are just as good). What more proof do we need that Bit Keeper is not locking people in? I don't use it, and have never used it at this point, primarily because I happen to be in the source management field currently, and I have chosen to respect Larry's license. I'm certain that if I ever had a proper need in terms of kernel development, the license could be waived or altered on a case-by-case basis. Stallman puts himself 100% in the philosopher's chair. He seems to believe that any variation or compromise weakens his overall position. Every few months he starts a flame war just to satisfy his own guilt that rises from him feeling that he isn't doing enough to 'promote' free projects, even if the free projects don't exist yet, or are not as feature-full. A few of us have a real love-hate relationship with Stallman. We love what he has accomplished. We hate how he accomplishes his goals. The bottom line of all of this, is that Stallman is preaching to the wrong people. He should stick to press releases and such. Kernel developers just want to get work done. Any investment into writing a new source management system would be better served by improving the linux source code. If this wasn't so, the kernel developers wouldn't be kernel developers. They would be like me... source management developers... :-) mark -- mark@mielke.cc/markm@ncf.ca/markm@nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/