From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S270546AbTGSVqF (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:46:05 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S270548AbTGSVqE (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:46:04 -0400 Received: from smtp.bitmover.com ([192.132.92.12]:2780 "EHLO smtp.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S270546AbTGSVqC (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:46:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:57:40 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Adrian Bunk Cc: Larry McVoy , David Schwartz , Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Bitkeeper Message-ID: <20030719215740.GD24197@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Adrian Bunk , Larry McVoy , David Schwartz , Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20030718204405.GA658@work.bitmover.com> <20030718222702.GC658@work.bitmover.com> <20030719204219.GG7977@fs.tum.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030719204219.GG7977@fs.tum.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.3, required 7, AWL) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:42:19PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:27:02PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:08:32PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > > > My understanding of the relevant case law in the United States is that > > > these types of restrictions are not allowed under copyright law itself. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 10:23:30PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Actually your license is simply irrelevant in most of thre world. You > > > aren't allowed to forbid reverse engineering for interoperability. > > > > "Judge, I want to violate this license on this product that I got > > for free because it's not free enough". > > > > "Judge, we give it out for free and we also developed technology > > to transfer the data out of our product and into a GPLed product, > > we do that at our expense and even host the competing GPLed repos > > for free and they still want to violate the license" > > > > Who do you think is going to win that one? > >... > > "Judge, our current German copyright law explicitely states that such a > clause is void." No, it isn't. Your case law is based on a *purchase* or *lease* of a product for *money*. If you paid us money, you'd have a point. But you didn't. You get to use the product for free and until there is some case law which says otherwise, we get to make any rules we like. And our rules say you can't reverse engineer. Too bad for you if you don't like it, I'm not exactly overflowing with sympathy for someone who paid nothing and is now complaining that they aren't allowed to reverse engineer and steal what they didn't pay for. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm