From: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: willy@w.ods.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, carlosev@newipnet.com,
lamont@scriptkiddie.org, davidsen@tmr.com, bloemsaa@xs4all.nl,
marcelo@conectiva.com.br, netdev@oss.sgi.com,
linux-net@vger.kernel.org, layes@loran.com, torvalds@osdl.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.4 PATCH] bugfix: ARP respond on all devices
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:17:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030818151755.47096672.skraw@ithnet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030818055555.248f2a01.davem@redhat.com>
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:55:55 -0700
"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:53:16 +0200
> Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com> wrote:
>
> > _And_ you did not explain so far why these implementations should
> > not be RFC-conform or else illegal.
>
> Both responding and not responding on all interfaces for ARPs
> is RFC conformant. This means both Linux and other systems
> are within the rules.
>
> Under Linux, by default, IP addresses are owned by the system
> not by interfaces. This increases the likelyhood of successful
> communication on a subnet.
In other words: it is more tolerant against broken setups.
> For scenerios where this doesn't work, we have ways to make the
> kernel behave the way you want it to.
For sure.
> There is no discussion about changing the default, because that
> might break things for some people. So this discussion is pretty
> useless.
Ah yes. Maybe we are getting to the real point of the discussion. If I remember
that right kernels 2.0 and 2.2 behave differently, so you are talking about
setups for 2.4 kernels. I am very interested to hear what a valid setup looks
like that is broken by the default behaviour of _other_ RFC-conformant
implementations. That is exactly what you are telling us here.
If you cannot describe such a setup, then you basically say you don't want to
follow the mainstream because you want to keep broken setups going.
I have heard things like that before from some well-known big company...
Can't you simply state the true reason why you are playing shepherd for a dead
cow?
Regards,
Stephan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-08-18 13:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-27 20:52 [2.4 PATCH] bugfix: ARP respond on all devices Bas Bloemsaat
2003-07-27 22:12 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 2:31 ` Ben Greear
2003-07-28 7:33 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-07-27 23:40 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-27 23:46 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-27 23:58 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-27 23:58 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 0:11 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 0:14 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 0:35 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 0:36 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 0:53 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 0:55 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 1:23 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 1:35 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 10:43 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 17:09 ` Phil Oester
2003-07-28 18:56 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-07-28 4:37 ` David Lang
2003-07-28 4:39 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 10:49 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 0:57 ` Assorted 2.6.0-test2 build warnings J.C. Wren
2003-07-28 22:11 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-07-29 10:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-07-29 2:51 ` [2.4 PATCH] bugfix: ARP respond on all devices Bill Davidsen
2003-07-29 4:48 ` Lamont Granquist
2003-08-04 6:10 ` Pekka Savola
2003-08-17 13:09 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 13:16 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 13:41 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 13:55 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 15:12 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-17 15:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 15:57 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-17 15:59 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 16:26 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 16:27 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 17:24 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 22:48 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 5:22 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 6:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 7:01 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 7:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 7:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 5:31 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 11:39 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 11:44 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 12:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 12:30 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 12:51 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-08-18 12:53 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 12:55 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 13:17 ` Stephan von Krawczynski [this message]
2003-08-18 13:14 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 14:23 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 14:19 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 15:46 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 13:23 ` jamal
2003-08-18 13:21 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 13:40 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 6:55 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 21:54 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-18 13:40 ` Dominik Kubla
2003-08-18 12:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 12:53 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 14:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 14:28 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 12:08 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 12:03 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 21:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-19 3:21 ` Ben Greear
2003-08-19 15:22 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 7:58 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 15:49 ` SRC IP selection in ARP request (Was: bugfix: ARP respond on all devices) Vladimir B. Savkin
2003-08-17 16:51 ` [2.4 PATCH] bugfix: ARP respond on all devices David T Hollis
2003-08-17 16:45 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 17:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-08-17 19:46 ` insecure
2003-08-18 5:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 5:29 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-17 13:59 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 10:48 ` Robert Collier
2003-08-17 13:38 ` Alan Cox
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2003-07-28 20:45 ` Julien Oster
2003-08-19 12:02 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 12:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-19 18:30 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 18:29 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:12 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 19:10 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 16:49 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-20 17:00 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 17:44 ` Ben Greear
2003-08-20 17:48 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 23:18 ` Julian Anastasov
2003-08-23 20:50 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-20 19:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-20 20:07 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 19:42 ` bill davidsen
2003-08-19 13:11 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 15:34 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:39 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-08-19 17:36 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 21:01 ` Harley Stenzel
2003-08-19 16:19 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:54 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:15 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:56 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 14:34 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 14:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-19 15:07 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 15:57 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 16:52 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:53 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:12 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 17:09 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:04 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-19 19:01 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:19 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 19:16 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 8:49 ` Roman Pletka
2003-08-20 14:15 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 14:43 ` Roman Pletka
2003-08-20 15:55 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 16:47 ` Roman Pletka
2003-08-19 15:53 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-19 16:14 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:17 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-19 19:08 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-19 21:53 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:54 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 16:51 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:10 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 17:07 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:57 ` bill davidsen
2003-08-19 17:56 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 17:53 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 18:05 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 18:21 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 12:52 ` Harley Stenzel
2003-08-19 18:16 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 18:13 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 18:30 ` Bas Bloemsaat
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2003-08-19 18:48 ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:17 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 19:21 ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:27 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 19:24 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:32 ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:28 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 9:53 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-20 15:41 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 15:38 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:38 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-19 19:37 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 20:44 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-19 19:00 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 18:58 ` David S. Miller
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2003-08-19 20:00 ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:56 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 22:12 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 22:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 23:15 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 8:58 Richard Underwood
2003-08-20 15:23 ` jamal
2003-08-20 15:28 ` jamal
2003-08-20 20:10 Richard Underwood
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