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From: Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Giuliano Pochini <pochini@shiny.it>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Subject: Re: Scaling noise
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:47:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030903114714.GH27875@merlin.emma.line.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030903111934.GF10257@work.bitmover.com>

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Larry McVoy wrote:

> Expecting more bandwidth to help your app is like expecting more platter
> speed to help your file system.  It's not the platter speed, it's the
> seeks which are the problem.  Same thing in system doesn't, it's not the
> bcopy speed, it's the cache misses that are the problem.  More bandwidth
> doesn't do much for that.

Platter speed IS a problem for random access involving seeks, because
platter speed reduces the rotational latency. Whether it takes 7.1 ms
average for a block to rotate past the heads in your average notebook
4,200/min drive or 2 ms in your 15,000/min drive does make a difference.

Even if the drive knows where the sectors are and folds rotational
latency into positioning latency to the maximum possible extent, for
short seeks (track-to-track) it's not going to help.

Unless you're going to add more heads or use other media than spinning
disc, that is.

However, head positioning times, being a tradeoff between noise and
speed, aren't that good particularly with many of the quieter drives, so
the marketing people use the enormous sequential data rate on outer
tracks for advertising. Head positioning time hasn't improved to the
extent throughput has, but that doesn't mean higher rotational frequency
is useless for random access delays.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-04  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-03  9:41 Scaling noise Brown, Len
2003-09-03 11:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-03 11:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 11:47   ` Matthias Andree [this message]
2003-09-03 18:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:05     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:15       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:15         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:26           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:32         ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:46           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:13             ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:31               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:48             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:21               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:29                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:51                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:46                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:07                       ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  1:06                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:10                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:32                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  1:46                           ` David Lang
2003-09-04  1:51                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:33                             ` SSI clusters on NUMA (was Re: Scaling noise) Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:02                               ` David Lang
2003-09-04  4:44                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:31                           ` Scaling noise Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:40                             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:50                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:49                                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:48                             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 17:05                             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-07 21:18                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 23:07                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-07 23:47                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  0:57                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  3:55                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  4:47                                 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-09-08  5:25                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  8:32                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-04  0:58                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:49                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:15                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  3:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-05  1:34         ` Robert White
2003-09-03 19:11     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 19:36       ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-10 15:14 John Bradford
2003-09-10 10:01 John Bradford
2003-09-10 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-08  6:21 Brown, Len
2003-09-08  9:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-03 17:07 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 17:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:07     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:25       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:47         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 23:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:55           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 18:28       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-03 18:31       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:11       ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-03 18:11   ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:56     ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-09-03 18:17   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:36     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:34         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:48           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:02             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:46               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-09-04  4:41               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-10 15:02               ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-10 15:12                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-28  1:51                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-28  3:13                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-29  0:47                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  1:22                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  3:46                         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:16             ` David Lang
2003-09-04  3:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  4:51               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:47           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-04  4:16             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  7:43               ` Davide Libenzi
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2003-09-03 15:33           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-03  7:10 John Bradford
2003-09-03  7:38 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 11:14   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 20:05 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03  5:02 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-03  4:03 Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:12 ` Roland Dreier
2003-09-03  4:20   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:12   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03  4:18 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  4:29   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:33     ` CaT
2003-09-03  5:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  5:44         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2003-09-03  6:12         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-09-03 12:09           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:10             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 16:01               ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-03 16:21                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 19:41                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 20:11                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 20:36               ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-04 20:47                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 21:30                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03  8:11         ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-09-03 14:25         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 12:47           ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-03 15:31             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  1:50               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  1:52                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:42                   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:40                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-04  2:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:19                 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:40                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-04  3:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-08 19:27                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 19:12           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 16:37         ` Kurt Wall
2003-09-06 15:08         ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-08 13:38           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09  6:11             ` Rob Landley
2003-09-09 16:07               ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-10  5:14                 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-10  5:45                   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 10:10                   ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-03  6:28     ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  6:55       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 15:23         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 15:39           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:50             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:49               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:58                     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-04  4:49             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:50             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 23:39               ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-03 17:16           ` William Lee Irwin III

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