From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264196AbTICS1A (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:27:00 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264241AbTICSZo (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:25:44 -0400 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.224.33.161]:43913 "EHLO holomorphy") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264196AbTICSYR (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:24:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:25:24 -0700 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Larry McVoy , "Brown, Len" , Larry McVoy , Giuliano Pochini , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Scaling noise Message-ID: <20030903182524.GS4306@holomorphy.com> Mail-Followup-To: William Lee Irwin III , Larry McVoy , "Brown, Len" , Larry McVoy , Giuliano Pochini , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20030903173213.GC5769@work.bitmover.com> <20030903180702.GQ4306@holomorphy.com> <20030903180755.GE5769@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030903180755.GE5769@work.bitmover.com> Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 11:07:02AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> You're thinking single-application again. Systems run more than one >> thing at once. On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 11:07:55AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > Then explain why hyperthreading is turned off by default in Windows. I don't follow M$ stuff and am not interested in much about it. cc: someone@microsoft.com and have them tell the others. On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 11:07:02AM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> That's neither sufficient information about those two companies nor a >> sufficient number of companies to make a proper empirical statement >> about this. I really don't care for a stock market update, but I'm just >> not going to believe anything this sketchy (from either source, actually). On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 11:07:55AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > Translation: "I don't like your data so I'm ignoring it". > How you can look at those two companies and not see what is obvious is > beyond me but everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's nice when your > opinion is based on data, not religion. Restating the above in slow motion: (a) economic arguments make me want to puke in the face of the presenter (b) I don't believe either of you jokers giving someone else's bottom line (c) Sun's in the toilet anyway, try comparing Dell to a healthy vendor -- wli