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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: Grant Grundler <iod00d@hp.com>,
	bcrl@kvack.org, tony.luck@intel.com, davidm@hpl.hp.com,
	davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com, peter@chubb.wattle.id.au, ak@suse.de,
	peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au, linux-ns83820@kvack.org,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NS83820 2.6.0-test5 driver seems unstable on IA64
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:58:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030924015841.GC21455@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030923163542.55fd8ed9.davem@redhat.com>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:35:42PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
> That's a amusing coincidence since at least some people think ia64
> will end up the same way the i860 did :-)
> In the past I did always advocate things the way you are right now,
> but these days I think I've been wrong the whole time and Intel on x86
> is doing the right thing.
> They do everything in hardware and this makes the software so much
> simpler.  Sure, there's a lot of architectually inherited complexity
> in the x86 family, but their engineering priorities mean there is so
> much other stuff you simply never have to think about as a programmer.

Several of the x86 "hardware assists" need some rather hefty hacks
codewise to cope with their concomitant data structure proliferations
under industrial workloads, and generally have me begging for RISC's
system-level features instead (which, of course, require various
undoings of Linux' x86 crossdressings to exploit).

Given the reactions in prior threads, this message clearly needs to
wait a long while before it will ever be heard.


-- wli

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-24  2:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-23 18:21 NS83820 2.6.0-test5 driver seems unstable on IA64 Luck, Tony
2003-09-23 18:29 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-09-23 18:45   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 18:51   ` Grant Grundler
2003-09-23 18:51     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 20:38       ` Grant Grundler
2003-09-23 20:45         ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 22:35           ` Grant Grundler
2003-09-23 23:35             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-24  0:13               ` Grant Grundler
2003-09-24  0:04                 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-24  2:40                   ` [OT] " n0ano
2003-09-24  1:58               ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-09-23 19:04     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-09-23 18:54   ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-23 18:52     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 19:09       ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-23 19:01         ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 19:16           ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-23 19:08             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 19:28       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-09-23 19:22         ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 23:15           ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-23 23:37             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-24  0:14               ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-09-24  0:06                 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 19:10   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-23 19:11     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-09-23 19:22       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-23 21:00 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-23 21:16   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-24  1:47     ` David S. Miller
     [not found] <A4gy.8wi.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <A4gy.8wi.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <A4gy.8wi.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <A4gy.8wi.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <A4Tv.Ud.37@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <AepM.5Zb.41@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-27  4:26           ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-27  4:34             ` David Mosberger
2003-09-27 23:36             ` David S. Miller
     [not found] <A2yd.64p.31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <A2yd.64p.29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <A317.6GH.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-26 17:04     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-26 17:22       ` Chris Friesen
2003-09-26 17:47       ` David Mosberger
2003-09-27  3:57         ` David S. Miller
2003-09-27  4:36         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-27  4:52           ` David Mosberger
     [not found] <zU7D.2Ji.27@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-26 15:14 ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-26 15:41   ` David Mosberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-26  6:16 Manfred Spraul
2003-09-26  6:07 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-26  6:41   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-26 14:38   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2003-09-27  3:12     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 22:58 Luck, Tony
2003-09-23 23:32 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-24  5:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-23 17:58 Van Maren, Kevin
2003-09-23 17:57 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 18:27   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-23 18:47     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 19:17       ` David Mosberger
2003-09-23 19:10         ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 20:00           ` David Mosberger
2003-09-24  3:08             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-25 16:11               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2003-09-26  1:12                 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 18:06 ` David Mosberger
2003-09-23 19:11   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-19  4:16 Peter Chubb
2003-09-19  4:38 ` Grant Grundler
2003-09-19  4:43   ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-19  5:01     ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-19  5:53       ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-19 10:49         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-09-23  0:34           ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-23  0:36             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-09-23  6:22               ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 10:40                 ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-23 10:51                   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 14:59                     ` David Mosberger
2003-09-23 17:27                       ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 17:56                         ` David Mosberger
2003-09-24  2:55                           ` David S. Miller
2003-09-23 23:04                         ` Ian Wienand
2003-09-23 23:35                           ` David S. Miller
2003-09-19  5:04     ` Grant Grundler
2003-09-19  5:11       ` Peter Chubb

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