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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Murthy Kambhampaty <murthy.kambhampaty@goeci.com>,
	"'Marcelo Tosatti'" <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Russell Cattelan <cattelan@xfs.org>,
	Nathan Scott <nathans@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: XFS for 2.4
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:20:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031202182037.GD17045@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031202181146.A27567@infradead.org>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 06:11:46PM +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:02:51AM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > Not your call, it's Marcelo's call.  And I and he have both suggested
> > that the way to get XFS in is to have someone with some clout in the file
> > system area agree that it is fine.  It's a perfectly reasonable request
> > and the longer it goes unanswered the less likely it is that XFS will get
> > integrated.  The fact that $XFS_USER wants it in is $XFS_USER's problem.
> > $VFS_MAINTAINER needs to say "hey, this looks good, what's the fuss about?"
> > and I suspect that Marcelo would be more interested.
> 
> I think you're missing the point.  The patches have been review many
> times, they've been posted to lkml many time with the request for comment
> and they've been merged into 2.5 in almost exactly that form. 

So what's wrong with asking $VFS_MAINTAINER to refresh Marcelo's memory
about that?

This is a process.  The process is supposed to screen out bad change.
Maybe XFS got into 2.5/2.6 inspite of the process rather than because
of it.  Maybe not.  Whatever the answer is, it's perfectly reasonable
for the maintainer of the 2.4 tree to want someone he trusts to step
forward and say "yeah, it's fine".  The fact that other VFS people
aren't jumping up and down and saying this should go in is troublesome.
If I were Marcelo the more the XFS people push without visible backing
from someone with a clear vision of the VFS layer the more I'd push back.

Don't get me wrong, I have not looked at or used XFS in years.  I have
no opinion about it at this point.  But I do have an opinion about process
and what is going on here, in my opinion, violates the Linux development
process.  Patches shouldn't go in just because you want them in, they go
in because the maintainer chooses to bless them or someone he trusts chooses
to bless them.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy              lm at bitmover.com          http://www.bitmover.com/lm

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-12-02 18:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-02 17:45 XFS for 2.4 Murthy Kambhampaty
2003-12-02 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-03 20:10   ` bill davidsen
2003-12-02 18:01 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 19:10   ` Tomas Szepe
2003-12-03  0:13     ` Eric Sandall
2003-12-03 20:12       ` bill davidsen
2003-12-02 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-12-02 18:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20031202181146.A27567@adic.com>
2003-12-02 18:19       ` Steve Lord
2003-12-02 18:20     ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-12-02 18:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02 18:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02 19:12           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 20:10             ` Nathan Scott
2003-12-02 20:11         ` viro
2003-12-03 20:51       ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 20:44   ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 21:06     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-03 22:07     ` grundig
2003-12-03 22:48       ` bill davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-04  1:27 Xose Vazquez Perez
2003-12-04  2:40 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-12-02 18:34 Murthy Kambhampaty
2003-12-01  6:20 Nathan Scott
2003-12-01  9:24 ` Jens Axboe
2003-12-01  9:44   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-12-01  9:45     ` Jens Axboe
2003-12-01 14:06 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 22:10   ` Nathan Scott
2003-12-01 22:20     ` Larry McVoy
2003-12-02  0:23       ` Nathan Scott
2003-12-02 11:22         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 18:05           ` Austin Gonyou
2003-12-02 19:55           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 20:05             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 20:16             ` Lawrence Walton
2003-12-03 19:01           ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 20:45             ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-03 21:17               ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 21:48                 ` Joel Becker
2003-12-03 22:17                   ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 22:08                 ` Ed Sweetman
2003-12-04  5:21                   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-04  0:34               ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-12-04  5:33                 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-04 10:13                   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-12-02 11:18     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 11:48       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 15:34       ` Russell Cattelan
2003-12-02 15:50         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02 16:10           ` Darrell Michaud
2003-12-02 16:21             ` Austin Gonyou
2003-12-02 16:28             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-02 16:57               ` venom
2003-12-02 17:41               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-12-02 18:01           ` Russell Cattelan
2003-12-02 16:13         ` Jeremy Jackson
2003-12-02  0:51   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-12-02  1:26     ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2003-12-01 21:00 ` Dan Yocum
2003-12-01 21:50   ` Bryan Whitehead
2003-12-01 22:01     ` Jeffrey E. Hundstad
2003-12-01 22:13     ` Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
2003-12-02  2:54     ` Joshua Schmidlkofer
2003-12-02 11:02   ` Maciej Soltysiak

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