From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263980AbTLJVcO (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:32:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263983AbTLJVcO (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:32:14 -0500 Received: from dyn-213-36-224-2.ppp.tiscali.fr ([213.36.224.2]:19460 "EHLO nsbm.kicks-ass.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263980AbTLJVcK convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:32:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:31:58 +0100 From: Witukind To: Ed Sweetman Cc: ed.sweetman@wmich.edu, mru@kth.se, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: udev sysfs docs Re: State of devfs in 2.6? Message-Id: <20031210223158.7ecfc11a.witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org> In-Reply-To: <3FD787AF.8080902@wmich.edu> References: <200312081536.26022.andrew@walrond.org> <20031208154256.GV19856@holomorphy.com> <3FD4CC7B.8050107@nishanet.com> <20031208233755.GC31370@kroah.com> <20031209061728.28bfaf0f.witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org> <20031209075619.GA1698@kroah.com> <1070960433.869.77.camel@nomade> <20031209090815.GA2681@kroah.com> <20031210202354.7a3c429a.witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org> <20031210212209.7fce7dae.witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org> <3FD78645.9090300@wmich.edu> <3FD787AF.8080902@wmich.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:53:03 -0500 Ed Sweetman wrote: > Ed Sweetman wrote: > > Witukind wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:33:24 +0100 > >> mru@kth.se (Måns Rullgård) wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Witukind writes: > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:39:32 +0100 mru@kth.se (Måns Rullgård) > >wrote:>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Is there a specific case for which people want this feature? > >>>>>> Offhand it seems like a slightly odd thing to ask for... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I believe the original motivation for module autoloading was to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> save> memory by unloading modules when their devices were unused. > > > >>>> Loading> them automatically on demand made for less trouble for > >>>> users, who> didn't have to run modprobe manually to use the sound > >>>> card, or> whatever. This could still be a good thing in embedded > >>>> systems.> > > > > the biggest advantage from modules is the ability to enable/disable > > devices with different initialization configurations without > > rebooting, including the use of devices that aren't present during > > boot or may be added to a system that cant be put down to reboot. > > Embedded systems usually do not change, that's just part of being > > embedded, modules dont really make sense there unless things like > > filesystems and non-device modules never get used at the same time > > and memory is limited such that 100KB actually matters. > > > > > >>>> I don't see why it wouldn't be a good thing for regular systems > >>>> also. Saving memory is usually a good idea. > > > > > > True, but how about we start being good memory users where it counts > > the most, like gui's/userspace land and then worry about the sub 1MB > > usage that kernels exist in. > > > >>> The biggest modules are about 100k. Saving 100k of 1 GB doesn't > >>> really seem worth any effort. > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't have 1 Gb of memory. On my laptop with 16 mb RAM saving > >100k > is worth > >> the effort. > > > > Blah, scratch this. > > Then why do you use a sylpheed, which is gtk instead of something in > > a terminal that uses much less memory (doesn't require xfree86, > > which you're probably also using instead of tinyX) and toolkits, > > pixmaps etc. > > Obviously, 100k is not worth _your_ effort. > > And of course that's all assuming you're using your laptop to write > and send email. Which you probably wouldn't be doing on a 16MB > laptop...probably wouldn't be doing anything on a 16MB laptop. But > anyway, the rest of what i was talking about is ok. Well you can do a lot of things on this laptop and Wingdows 95, although I'd prefer to be able to do as much or even more using Linux with it. -- Jabber: heimdal@jabber.org