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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: Hua Zhong <hzhong@cisco.com>,
	"'Andy Isaacson'" <adi@hexapodia.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall?
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:55:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031212125513.GC6112@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200312111432.12683.rob@landley.net>

On Thu, 11 December 2003 14:32:12 -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
> On Thursday 11 December 2003 13:48, Jörn Engel wrote:
> >
> > If you really do it, please don't add a syscall for it.  Simply check
> > each written page if it is completely filled with zero.  (This will be
> > a very quick check for most pages, as they will contain something
> > nonzero in the first couple of words)
> 
> Cache poisoning, streaming writes to large RAID arrays...  There are about 8 
> zllion reasons not to do this.  Really.  (It defeats the whole purpose of 
> DMA, doesn't it?)

Yes, the obvious and stupid implementation has a ton of problems.
Most likely the right approach is some sort of background deamon
(garbage collector, defragmenter, journald, whatever you may call it)
that does exacly this even after the fact for the last unchecked
writes.  Asyncronous under load, possibly even synchronous when almost
idle.

A stupid implementation would still help for some workload (few, while
hurting many) and already get the code tested, so even a stupid
implementation helps.

Jörn

-- 
There's nothing better for promoting creativity in a medium than
making an audience feel "Hmm ­ I could do better than that!"
-- Douglas Adams in a slashdot interview

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-12 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-04 20:32 Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall? Rob Landley
2003-12-04 20:55 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-04 21:10 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05  0:02   ` Rob Landley
2003-12-04 22:33     ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05 11:22     ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-05 12:11   ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-05 22:41     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-05 23:25       ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-05 23:33       ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05 23:25     ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-04 21:48 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04 23:59   ` Rob Landley
2003-12-05 22:42     ` Olaf Titz
2003-12-04 22:53 ` Peter Chubb
2003-12-05  1:04   ` Philippe Troin
2003-12-05  2:39     ` Peter Chubb
2003-12-08  4:03     ` bill davidsen
2003-12-04 23:23 ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-04 23:42   ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05  2:03     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-05  7:09       ` Ville Herva
2003-12-05 11:22   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2003-12-05 11:44     ` viro
2003-12-05 14:27       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2003-12-05 21:00   ` sparse file performance (was Re: Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall?) Andy Isaacson
2003-12-05 21:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-08 20:43       ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-11  5:13 ` Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall? Hua Zhong
2003-12-11  6:19   ` Rob Landley
2003-12-11 18:58   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-11 19:15     ` Hua Zhong
2003-12-11 19:43       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-12-12 21:37         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-12-11 19:48       ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-11 19:55         ` Hua Zhong
2003-12-11 19:58         ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-12 12:18           ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 15:40             ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-12 16:03               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-11 20:32         ` Rob Landley
2003-12-12 12:55           ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2003-12-12 13:28             ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-12 13:43               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:52                 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-12 14:04                   ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:53               ` Rob Landley
2003-12-12 14:01                 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-12 21:35                   ` Rob Landley
2003-12-15 10:00                     ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-15 11:52                       ` Rob Landley
2003-12-15 13:26                         ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:39             ` Rob Landley
2003-12-12 13:56               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 14:24                 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 21:37                   ` Rob Landley
2003-12-15 12:47                     ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-16  5:43                       ` Rob Landley
2003-12-16 11:05                         ` Jörn Engel

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