From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Thomas Winischhofer <thomas@winischhofer.net>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jsimmons@infradead.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.1-mm1: drivers/video/sis/sis_main.c link error
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:53:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200401112353.43282.gene.heskett@verizon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401111502380.1825@evo.osdl.org>
On Sunday 11 January 2004 21:58, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Thomas Winischhofer wrote:
>> The whole framebuffer stuff in 2.6 is ancient. (Look at the file
>> dates.)
>
>Note that the fb stuff is ancient because it's basically not
> maintained as far as I'm concerned.
>
>I occasionally get huge drops from James, and they invariably break
> stuff. Which means that I often decide (espcially when trying to
> stabilize things) that I just can't _afford_ to apply the fr*gging
> patches. Because by past experience applying one of the big
> "everything changes" patches tends to break more things that it
> fixes.
>
>I'm sorry, but this i show it is. The fbcon people have been
> changing interfaces faster than they have been fixing bugs in the
> code. Together with the fact that most of the development seems to
> happen in outside trees, and nobody ever sends me fixes relative to
> the released tree, this makes for a pretty bad situation.
>
>I really think that development should happen in the regular tree,
> or at least be synched up in reasonable chunks THAT DO NOT BREAK
> everything.
>
>I realize that some fb developers seem to disagree with me, but the
> fact is, the way things are done now, fb will _always_ be broken.
> Most people for whom the standard kernel works will never test the
> fb development trees, so those trees will never get any amount of
> reasonable testing. As a result, they WILL be buggy, and synching
> with them WILL be painful as hell.
>
>There is a d*mn good reason for why development should happen
>incrementally, and in the standard trees, and not in some outside
> tree. For one: testing. For another: figuring out when things break
> in a timely manner.
>
> Linus
>-
I can well see your reticence in view of the situation, I think I'd be
gun-shy too. Its called prudence.
However, since I've been running 2.6.1-mm1 here, using the rivafb with
an elderly gforce2-mx2 32 megger, I've noted that when running
kde-3.1.1a with 8 windows, and a couple of them have multimegabyte
backdrops, the biggest one being that famous deep space shot from
hubble of about 4 or 5 months back. In any other kernel, switching
to that window took about 12 seconds for the backdrop to be converted
to 1600x1200x32 and drawn the first time and about 8 seconds for the
next time. But with this 2.6.1-mm1 kernel, that repeat window switch
is so close to instant that I cannot see it being drawn.
So as far as I'm concerned, this particular set of fb patches to
rivafb *need* to stay in mainline. I'd sure appreciate it, a bunch.
This ones a winner I think.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-01-12 4:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-01-09 9:40 2.6.1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2004-01-09 14:47 ` 2.6.1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-09 14:53 ` 2.6.1-mm1 Wojciech 'Sas' Cieciwa
2004-01-09 14:21 ` 2.6.1-mm1 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-01-09 15:24 ` 2.6.1-mm1 (compile stats) John Cherry
2004-01-09 16:30 ` 2.6.1-mm1 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-01-09 21:20 ` 2.6.1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2004-01-09 21:24 ` 2.6.1-mm1 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-01-09 23:04 ` 2.6.1-mm1 - nforce2 timer patch sum up cheuche+lkml
2004-01-09 19:31 ` 2.6.1-mm1: sound/pci/cmipci.c compile error Adrian Bunk
2004-01-09 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2004-01-09 23:37 ` 2.6.1-mm1: drivers/video/sis/sis_main.c link error Adrian Bunk
2004-01-10 4:04 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2004-01-12 2:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-12 4:53 ` Gene Heskett [this message]
2004-01-12 5:42 ` Andrew Morton
2004-01-12 6:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-12 6:47 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 7:05 ` Andrew Morton
2004-01-12 7:20 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 12:38 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 6:21 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 6:34 ` Andrew Morton
2004-01-12 6:58 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 7:03 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 16:33 ` Dave Jones
2004-01-12 17:00 ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-12 17:04 ` Dave Jones
2004-01-12 8:58 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2004-01-12 14:32 ` Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-01-12 10:36 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-01-13 19:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-01-14 0:35 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2004-01-15 11:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-01-15 11:42 ` Thomas Winischhofer
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