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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
Cc: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: unionfs
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:11:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040319091148.GC2650@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040316171038.GA27046@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>

Jörn Engel wrote:
> And version control is something I actually want to be done inside the
> kernel, at least to some degree.  People already use kernel support,
> although it sucks (cp -lr anyone?).  Looks like the alternatives suck
> even more, so your point is void.

Fwiw, I much prefer your COW hard links to something where I have to
mount a new filesystem every time I "copy" a tree, and have to redo
those mounts each time I reboot, have a big ugly mess in "df" output,
what "du" get confused, and "rsync" has no hope of dealing with them
sensibly.

I also don't mind if copying isn't implemented in the kernel.  I'm ok
with programs reporting an error that they couldn't write to a file
because it was linked readonly.  At least that removes the danger of
accidental overwriting, and I can either fix it by hand or use an
LD_PRELOAD library which detects that error code from open() and
copies the file.

Even if vi and Emacs, which make it temptingly easy to ignore normal
read-only protection, were changed to be aware of and bypass the
read-only link attribute, they'd do the right thing: the attribute
expresses the _intent_ that removing it should always be done by
copying the file, whereas with hard links that intent isn't clear.
(Emacs has backup-by-copying-when-linked, but that isn't too helpful
because sometimes you want writing to a linked file to change both places).

So my vote is for the very simple COW hard link attribute, and leave
the rest to userspace.

Thanks!
-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-19  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-15 11:35 unionfs Carsten Otte
2004-03-15 12:19 ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-15 12:47   ` unionfs Ian Kent
2004-03-15 13:16     ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-15 14:35       ` unionfs Ian Kent
2004-03-15 16:13         ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-15 17:09           ` unionfs Claudio Martins
2004-03-15 19:22           ` unionfs Horst von Brand
2004-03-15 23:20             ` unionfs Chris Friesen
2004-03-16 16:04               ` unionfs Horst von Brand
2004-03-16 17:31                 ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-16 18:04                   ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-16 19:40                     ` unionfs Horst von Brand
2004-03-16 20:45                       ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-16 19:19                   ` unionfs Horst von Brand
2004-03-16 20:00                     ` unionfs Chris Friesen
2004-03-23  2:38                   ` unionfs Robert White
2004-03-15 23:52             ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-16 16:18               ` unionfs Horst von Brand
2004-03-16 17:10                 ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-19  9:11                   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2004-03-19  9:42                     ` unionfs Jörn Engel
2004-03-19  9:04                 ` unionfs Jamie Lokier
2004-03-16 19:03             ` unionfs Andy Isaacson
2004-03-15 14:37       ` unionfs Ian Kent
2004-03-15 16:15       ` unionfs Jörn Engel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-08  9:52 unionfs Miklos Szeredi
2004-03-08 16:10 ` unionfs Bernd Schubert
2004-03-09  9:38   ` unionfs Miklos Szeredi
     [not found] ` <20040311151343.GA943@escher.cs.wm.edu>
2004-03-11 15:44   ` unionfs Miklos Szeredi
2004-03-14  2:33     ` unionfs Ian Kent
2004-03-14  4:20       ` unionfs Horst von Brand
2004-03-16 12:42       ` unionfs Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]     ` <20040315214207.GA26615@escher.cs.wm.edu>
2004-03-16 13:43       ` unionfs Miklos Szeredi
2004-03-12 23:37 ` unionfs Herbert Poetzl

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