From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261863AbUK2Wnc (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:43:32 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261852AbUK2Wfa (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:35:30 -0500 Received: from gprs214-92.eurotel.cz ([160.218.214.92]:63625 "EHLO amd.ucw.cz") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261850AbUK2We6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:34:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:34:37 +0100 From: Pavel Machek To: Nigel Cunningham Cc: Stefan Seyfried , Christoph Hellwig , Linux Kernel Mailing List , hugang@soulinfo.com, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Suspend 2 merge Message-ID: <20041129223437.GD3867@elf.ucw.cz> References: <1101292194.5805.180.camel@desktop.cunninghams> <20041124132839.GA13145@infradead.org> <1101329104.3425.40.camel@desktop.cunninghams> <20041125192016.GA1302@elf.ucw.cz> <1101422088.27250.93.camel@desktop.cunninghams> <20041125232200.GG2711@elf.ucw.cz> <1101426416.27250.147.camel@desktop.cunninghams> <41AAED32.2010703@suse.de> <1101766833.4343.425.camel@desktop.cunninghams> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1101766833.4343.425.camel@desktop.cunninghams> X-Warning: Reading this can be dangerous to your mental health. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi! > > >>>:> But not everyone who uses 2.6.9 uses swsusp. :> > > > > and not everyone who downloads suspend2 uses it ;-) > > Yes... I'd say the relative percentage would be much higher, though. Agreed. > > > change a parameter or forcing them to do an ls in /dev with obscure > > > parameters (to get the major and minor numbers) when they already know > > > they want /dev/sda1 isn't user friendly. Obviously user friendliness is > > > > This can easily be done by a userspace helper. You do use the > > (userspace) X server to display your GUI, don't you? > > No. Not at all. All of userspace is well and truly wedged in a block of > ice by then. I think that was not what Stefan wanted to say. > Regarding acceptance, there's no point in getting it accepted into the > kernel if we end up with something that's user-unfriendly. I think it > will help a lot if we agree that suspend does need to blur the lines > between kernel and userspace a little, in the interests of providing > software that is superior. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I do not think suspend is special enough to blur the lines... Pavel -- People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers... ...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl!