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From: pb <peterb968@yahoo.com.au>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Suspend 2 merge: 24/51: Keyboard and serial console hooks.
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:21:27 +0800
Cc: Jan Rychter <jan@rychter.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
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On Thursday 25 November 2004 07:02, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 01:57:58PM -0800, Jan Rychter wrote:
> > Obviously you have never actually tried to use software suspend in real
> > life.
> > 
> > I would kindly suggest that you try to use it on your laptop for at
> > least several weeks in various circumstances. These features are a
> > result of years of user experience.

Lets say <UNDERLINE><BOLD>THOUSANDS OF MAN YEARS</UNDERLINE></BOLD>

> 
> I tend to buy laptops that just suspend when closing the lid, and no, I 
never
> had the strange desired to immediately reverse my choice.  Neither do I want
> to stop the shutdown that I just initiated.

Perhaps many less fortunate "users" ;) (_including_ myself), can change their 
minds anytime and open the lid again.

Thus, IMHO support for "changing ones mind" is imperative.

As to reboot, we hardly use it: 
- Test partitions get reset with the yournal doing the dirty work.
- The main partition gets rebooted only:
  - when some stupid app(s) leaked all memory away and we are out of swap
 ... sometimes weekly :-(
  - for (monthly) fsck.
  - when updating glibc twice a year or so

Dependable and flexible software suspend is a way of life yet to be 
experienced by many.

Offtopic, IMO a garbage collector is highly desirable...

Michael