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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Mark_H_Johnson@raytheon.com
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@codito.com>,
	Karsten Wiese <annabellesgarden@yahoo.de>,
	Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>, Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org>,
	emann@mrv.com, Gunther Persoons <gunther_persoons@spymac.com>,
	"K.R. Foley" <kr@cybsft.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Florian Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net>,
	Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano <nando@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
	Shane Shrybman <shrybman@aei.ca>,
	Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Michal Schmidt <xschmi00@stud.feec.vutbr.cz>
Subject: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:24:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041210212451.GF5864@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF8AB2B6D9.572374AA-ON86256F66.0061EFA8-86256F66.0061F00A@raytheon.com>


* Mark_H_Johnson@raytheon.com <Mark_H_Johnson@raytheon.com> wrote:

> [...] I also had several cases where I "triggered" a trace but no
> output - I assume those are related symptoms. For example:
> 
> # ./cpu_delay 0.000100
> Delay limit set to 0.00010000 seconds
> calibrating loop ....
> time diff= 0.504598 or 396354830 loops/sec.
> Trace activated with 0.000100 second delay.
> Trace triggered with 0.000102 second delay. [not recorded]
> Trace activated with 0.000100 second delay.
> Trace triggered with 0.000164 second delay. [not recorded]

is the userspace delay measurement nested inside the kernel-based
method? I.e. is it something like:

	gettimeofday(0,1);
	timestamp1 = cycles();

	... loop some ...

	timestamp2 = cycles();
	gettimeofday(0,0);

and do you get 'unreported' latencies in such a case too? If yes then
that would indeed indicate a tracer bug. But if the measurement is done
like this:

	gettimeofday(0,1);
	timestamp1 = cycles();

	... loop some ...

	gettimeofday(0,0);		// [1]
	timestamp2 = cycles();		// [2]

then a delay could get inbetween [1] and [2].

OTOH if the 'loop some' time is long enough then the [1]-[2] window is
too small to be significant statistically, while your logs show a near
50% 'miss rate'.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-10 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-10 17:49 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 21:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:24 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-12-13  0:16 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-12-13  6:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-14  0:46     ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-12-14  4:42       ` K.R. Foley
2004-12-14  8:47         ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-14 11:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-27 14:35             ` Real-time rw-locks (Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15) Esben Nielsen
2004-12-27 15:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2004-12-27 16:23                 ` Esben Nielsen
2004-12-27 16:39                   ` Steven Rostedt
2004-12-27 21:06                     ` Bill Huey
2004-12-27 21:48                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-12-28 21:59                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 15:25                       ` Andrew McGregor
2004-12-28 21:42                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  7:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 11:56                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-28 15:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 15:55                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-28 16:16                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 19:18                 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-01-28 19:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 23:25                     ` Bill Huey
2005-01-28 21:13                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-30 22:03                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-01-30 23:59                   ` Kyle Moffett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-12-13 23:14 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-13 20:02 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-13 22:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-13 17:05 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-13 22:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 22:06 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 22:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:58 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 21:54 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 22:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:31 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 21:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:06 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 21:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 20:03 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-09 21:58 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-6 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-09 22:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 10:53   ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15 Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 14:59     ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-10 15:59       ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-10 19:09     ` Lee Revell

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