From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
Cc: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
Diego Calleja <diegocg@teleline.es>,
wli@holomorphy.com, aebr@win.tue.nl, solt2@dns.toxicfilms.tv,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: starting with 2.7
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:21:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050104152136.GE3097@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050104053348.GB19945@alpha.home.local>
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 06:33:48AM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 04:12:29AM +0100, Thomas Graf wrote:
> > * Theodore Ts'o <20050104002452.GA8045@thunk.org> 2005-01-03 19:24
> > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 06:59:27PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > > > It is also the model we used until OLS this year - there was a 2.6
> > > > release about once a month prior to OLS. Post OLS, it's now once
> > > > every three months or there abouts, which, IMO is far too long.
> > >
> > > I was thinking more about every week or two (ok, two releases in a day
> > > like we used to do in the 2.3 days was probably too freequent :-), but
> > > sure, even going to a once-a-month release cycle would be better than
> > > the current 3 months between 2.6.x releases.
> >
> > It definitely satifies many of the impatients but it doesn't solve the
> > stability problem. Many bugs do not show up on developer machines until
> > just right after the release (as you pointed out already). rc releases
> > don't work out as expected due to various reasons, i think one of them
> > is that rc releases don't get announced on the newstickers, extra work
> > is required to patch the kernel etc.
>
> The problem with -rc is that there are two types of people :
> - the optimists who think "good, it's already rc. I'll download it and
> run it as soon as it's released"
> - the pessimists who think "I killed my machine twice with rc, let's leave
> it to other brave testers".
>
> These two problems are solvable with the same solution : no rc anymore.
> I agree with Ted. A version every week or 2 weeks is good. People will
> run random versions, some will report problems, others not. After that,
> you know the differences between exact releases, you don't have to parse
> 28 MB changes. And you can also ask them to upgrade or downgrade and
> quickly find where the bug entered.
>...
This was the model for development kernels, and it's usable for
development kernels.
The problem is that 28 MB in 9 weeks are 3 MB of changes every week.
With such a weekly model, I fear the weekly kernels would be of very
varying quality and never fully stable. Up to 2.4, kernel.org kernels
were usually a good choice, but with such a model the only usable
kernels in production environments will be distribution kernels that
will contain the mixture of at least three "stable" kernel for getting a
usable kernel.
> Regards,
> Willy
cu
Adrian
--
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of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
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Thread overview: 222+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-02 20:03 starting with 2.7 Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 20:08 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-01-02 20:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 21:01 ` Re[2]: " Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 21:24 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 21:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 22:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-02 22:49 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-02 23:14 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-03 0:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 0:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 1:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 5:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 12:33 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 21:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 22:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:53 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 5:06 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 5:29 ` Sean
2005-01-05 8:42 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 9:13 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 13:17 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 13:24 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-03 13:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 17:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 18:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-03 18:59 ` Russell King
2005-01-03 19:07 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 19:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-03 21:06 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 0:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 3:12 ` Thomas Graf
2005-01-04 5:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 15:21 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-01-04 15:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:38 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-04 23:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 0:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 18:30 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 18:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 19:08 ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-04 15:34 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 21:19 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 21:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 23:50 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05 5:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05 7:04 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05 8:33 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-06 18:08 ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-06 21:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 22:50 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-07 14:34 ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-05 0:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 0:33 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-05 18:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:13 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:35 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-04 0:02 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 3:32 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05 9:27 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 10:57 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 3:15 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-01-06 14:03 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 16:34 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2005-01-06 19:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 19:58 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-06 22:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-07 8:33 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 20:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 19:28 ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-03 22:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 7:46 ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-04 18:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:03 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 23:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 17:31 ` Rahul Karnik
2005-01-04 18:44 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 21:28 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:51 ` APM vs. ACPI, janitor wanted? [was Re: starting with 2.7] Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 12:57 ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 15:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:34 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 16:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 19:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 20:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 21:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 22:01 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-04 21:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 9:45 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-06 15:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 16:59 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-06 14:38 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-04 20:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05 0:02 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05 5:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 2:06 ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04 2:36 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-03 12:52 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:52 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 17:15 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-01-02 23:14 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-02 23:21 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-01-03 9:57 ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) L. A. Walsh
2005-01-03 12:17 ` Robert W. Fuller
2005-01-03 13:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 14:24 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 4:56 ` David Lang
2005-01-04 14:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-01-09 0:13 ` Reviving the concept of a stable series L A Walsh
2005-01-10 13:44 ` Adam Sampson
2005-01-10 16:50 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-10 19:24 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:50 ` jmerkey
2005-01-03 22:20 ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 13:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 18:20 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 15:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 18:23 ` [PATCH] zap the ACPI shutdown bug (was Re: Reviving the concept of a stable series) Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 19:07 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 21:19 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 0:19 ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 0:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 0:49 ` Adam Mercer
2005-01-03 1:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 12:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-01-03 1:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 22:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:20 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 17:39 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 20:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:47 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 21:48 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:03 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 22:10 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 23:41 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 5:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 6:36 ` Al Viro
2005-01-04 10:23 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 12:36 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 12:59 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 6:20 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-05 11:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 20:24 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-05 13:31 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-05 19:16 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 21:19 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 9:17 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-01-04 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 14:27 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 15:31 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 16:51 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:58 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 23:07 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 23:18 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 22:04 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 22:01 ` Sean
2005-01-04 5:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 13:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:18 ` Wakko Warner
2005-01-03 23:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:18 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 15:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-03 23:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 7:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-04 13:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:18 ` David Lang
2005-01-04 23:03 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-05 7:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-06 19:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 23:33 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2005-01-07 1:51 ` David Lang
2005-01-07 5:48 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-03 22:53 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 3:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-01-06 20:02 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-06 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 0:06 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-07 16:34 ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-07 17:25 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 2:31 ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-09 3:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-09 3:08 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 23:02 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 0:30 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10 1:26 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-10 1:28 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-10 2:16 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10 4:51 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-10 18:27 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:11 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-10 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 21:08 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-11 16:10 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 22:19 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-11 0:54 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 16:10 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 16:07 Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-07 11:07 Nicolas Mailhot
2005-01-07 11:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 11:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 17:34 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-08 15:45 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 7:17 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 16:10 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 17:36 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 19:59 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-10 21:32 ` Bill Davidsen
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