From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262255AbVAEFt0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:49:26 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262256AbVAEFt0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:49:26 -0500 Received: from willy.net1.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:39437 "EHLO willy.net1.nerim.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262255AbVAEFtW (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:49:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:37:01 +0100 From: Willy Tarreau To: Gene Heskett Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Theodore Ts'o" , Horst von Brand , Thomas Graf , Bill Davidsen , Adrian Bunk , Diego Calleja , wli@holomorphy.com, aebr@win.tue.nl, solt2@dns.toxicfilms.tv Subject: Re: starting with 2.7 Message-ID: <20050105053701.GB24263@alpha.home.local> References: <20050104031229.GE26856@postel.suug.ch> <20050104211910.GB7280@thunk.org> <20050104214324.GG22075@alpha.home.local> <200501041850.20446.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501041850.20446.gene.heskett@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 06:50:20PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > I disagree Willy, if I see an -rc candidate, even if I'm following an > interesting thread, like Ingo's patches, the rc will get built and > run here, precisely so I can bitch if it doesn't work. I have an > idea there are more like me who are interested as much in whats *new* > as in how well does it run *my* stuff, and that you may possibly be > undercounting us... I do this too when I have time, but basically, the number of testers is limited to a small percent of the amount of LKML readers. This is why I say it does not get tested on a large scale. Seeing that even slashdot announces new releases, I suspect that releases are tested by 10 or 100 times more users than -rc. If we spend too much time waiting for a few hundred people to test -rc, it is with great deception that we discover that obvious bugs go to the final release unnoticed, like the NFS problem on 2.6.8 which hit me on the first boot. OK, I would have seen it in -rc, but I didn't have time to test -rc this time, and nobody else did enough testing on it. Result, -rc did not serve to catch this obvious one. I agree that a very few days should be better than absolutely nothing, at least to catch build problems, but we should not wait too long. Cheers, Willy