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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, riel@redhat.com,
	marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:59:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050106055905.GT4597@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050105213704.0282316f.akpm@osdl.org>

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:37:04PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > 2) we won't need unreliable anti-deadlock timeouts anymore
> 
> The timeouts are for:
> 
> a) A fallback for backing stores which don't wake up waiters in
>    blk_congestion_wait() (eg: NFS).

that anti-deadlock will be unnecessary too with the new logic.

> b) handling the race case where the request queue suddenly goes empty
>    before the sleeper gets onto the waitqueue.

as I mentioned with proper locking setting task in uninterruptible and
then registering into the new per classzone waitqueue, the timeout will
be unnecessary even for this.

> It can probably be removed with some work, and additional locking.

The additional locking will then remove the current locking in
blk_congestion_wait so it's new locking but it will replace the current
locking. But I agree registering in the waitqueue inside the
blk_congestion_wait was simpler. It's just I've an hard time to like the
timeout.  Timeout is always wrong when it triggers: if it triggers it
always triggers either too late (wasted resources) or too early (early
oom kills). So unless it messes everything up, it'd be nice to the
locking strict. anyway point 1 and 2 can be implemented separately, at
first we can leave the timeout if the race is too hard to handle. 

Ideally if we keep the total number of oustanding writebacks
per-classzone (not sure if we account for it already somewhere, I guess
if something we've the global number and not the per-classzone one), we
could remove the timeout without having to expose the locking outside
blk_congestion_wait. With the number of oustanding writebacks
per-classzone we could truly fix the race and obsolete the timeout in a
self contained manner. Though it will require a proper amount of memory
barriers around the account increment/decrement/read.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-06  5:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-03 17:25 [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 10:08 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 18:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 18:50     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 17:49       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 21:44         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 20:32           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 23:51             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:27               ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  1:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  1:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:52                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  1:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  3:42                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  3:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:35                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:55                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:03                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  8:06                               ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:16                                 ` memory barrier in ll_rw_blk.c (was Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned) Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  8:32                                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06 12:00                                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  4:59                             ` [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:05                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:17                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:19                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:25                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:36                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:44                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:37                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-01-06 13:28                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  5:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  6:16                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:21                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 23:26 ` Andrew Morton

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