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@ 2005-01-02 20:03 Maciej Soltysiak
  2005-01-02 20:08 ` Emmanuel Fleury
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From: Maciej Soltysiak @ 2005-01-02 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel

Hi,

I was wondering in the tram today are we close to branching
off to 2.7

Do the mighty kernel developers have solid plans, ideas, etc
to start experimental code

Regards,
Maciej



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* Re: starting with 2.7
@ 2005-01-04 16:07 Indrek Kruusa
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From: Indrek Kruusa @ 2005-01-04 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel; +Cc: viro

On 4 Jan 2005, at 07:36, Al Viro wrote:
 > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 06:46:49AM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
 > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 10:14:42PM +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
 > > > > Gosh! I bought an ATI video card, I bought a VMware license, 
etc.... I
 > > > > want to keep using them. Changing a "stable" kernel will 
continuously
 > > > > annoy users and vendors.
 > > >
 > > > So buy some Operating System that supports the propritary software of
 > > > your choice but stop annoying us.
 > >
 > > That's what he did. But it was not written in the notice that it 
could stop
 > > working at any time :-)
 >
 >
 >     Do you want a long list of message-IDs going way, way back? Ones 
of Linus'
 >     postings saying that there never had been any promise whatsoever 
of in-kernel
 >     interfaces staying unchanged...


Eh? "you should avoid Linux - experimental project indeed!". Sad, but 
this is almost true already: can you name the stable version of the 
kernel which is in main public use? When I take a look from distros then:

Mandrake 10.2 snapshot (Cooker): kernel-2.6.8.1.20mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm

SuSe (SRPM for new 9.2): kernel-source-2.6.8-24.src.rpm

Fedora (update for FC3): kernel-2.6.9-1.724_FC3.i686.rpm


And inside proper .src.rpm-s are lot of stuff. So how those fixes inside 
2.6.10 will reach the end-user? 2.6.[x < 10] + patch+patch+patch...

It means that for end user (me) the stable kernel 2.6.10 is not just 
usable. And of course I will not test any vanilla kernel because my MIDI 
programs-devices/USB gadgets/connect+point+and+click will usually stop 
working by reasons which are not bug but implementation related. So what 
I should report to my distro provider? Please recode this program 
because i am keen to test newest kernel? But how then should I provide 
my help with kernel testing?

Maybe you need to set up a pool of patches with full detailed information:
- bug fixes
- security related fixes
- feature changes
- status flag: test/stable
- dependencies :)

This is what is needed - how and when a 2.6.x stable kernel will have 
released (strategy of kernel development) is not a question at all. 
Vanilla kernel will never reach end-users anyway.
OK, don't take it too seriously :)

regards,
Indrek


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* Re: starting with 2.7
@ 2005-01-07 11:07 Nicolas Mailhot
  2005-01-07 11:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
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From: Nicolas Mailhot @ 2005-01-07 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel

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Hi all, 

Since 2.6 is turning into a continuous release, how about just taking
the last 2.6 release every six months and backport security fixes to it
for the next half year ?

This seems what distributions are starting to do with 2.6 anyway, the
only thing they need is some sort of agreement on the stabilization fork
dates so they can share the fix pool work (and add whatever value-added
enhancements they want over the result).

ie stable kernel releases used to be feature-driven but major OSS
projects like GNOME have shown you could/should do date-driven releases
once you got to the continuous development stage.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

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2005-01-02 20:03 starting with 2.7 Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 20:08 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-01-02 20:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 21:01   ` Re[2]: " Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 21:24   ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 21:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 22:15       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-02 22:49         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-02 23:14           ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-03  0:30           ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  0:45             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03  1:19               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  5:33                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 12:33                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 21:38                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 22:09                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:53                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  5:06                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04  5:29                         ` Sean
2005-01-05  8:42                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05  9:13                           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 13:17                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 13:24                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-03 13:47                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 17:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:04                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 18:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:36                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-03 18:59                           ` Russell King
2005-01-03 19:07                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 19:26                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-03 21:06                               ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04  0:24                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04  3:12                               ` Thomas Graf
2005-01-04  5:33                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 15:21                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:58                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:38                                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-04 23:51                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05  0:09                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 18:30                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 18:56                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 19:08                                           ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-04 15:34                                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 21:19                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 21:43                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 23:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  5:37                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05  7:04                                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  8:33                                             ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-06 18:08                                       ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-06 21:08                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 22:50                                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-07 14:34                                           ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-05  0:00                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05  0:33                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-05 18:40                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:13                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:35                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-04  0:02                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  3:32                                 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  9:27                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 10:57                               ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06  3:15                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-01-06 14:03                           ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 16:34                             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2005-01-06 19:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 19:58                               ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-06 22:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-07  8:33                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 20:48                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 19:28                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-03 22:39                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  7:46                             ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-04 18:34                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:03                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 23:42                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 17:31                             ` Rahul Karnik
2005-01-04 18:44                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 21:28                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:51                             ` APM vs. ACPI, janitor wanted? [was Re: starting with 2.7] Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 12:57                       ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 15:08                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:34                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 16:53                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 19:57                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 20:30                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:34                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:55                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 21:23                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 22:01                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-04 21:01                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06  9:45                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-06 15:50                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 16:59                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-06 14:38                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-04 20:17                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05  0:02                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05  5:49                             ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04  2:06                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04  2:36                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-03 12:52               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:52             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 17:15               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-01-02 23:14         ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-02 23:21         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-01-03  9:57           ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) L. A. Walsh
2005-01-03 12:17             ` Robert W. Fuller
2005-01-03 13:58               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 14:24             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04  4:56               ` David Lang
2005-01-04 14:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04  7:00               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-01-09  0:13               ` Reviving the concept of a stable series L A Walsh
2005-01-10 13:44                 ` Adam Sampson
2005-01-10 16:50                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-10 19:24                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:50                     ` jmerkey
2005-01-03 22:20             ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 13:08               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 18:20                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 15:31                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 18:23                   ` [PATCH] zap the ACPI shutdown bug (was Re: Reviving the concept of a stable series) Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 19:07                     ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 21:19                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03  0:19         ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  0:38           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03  0:49             ` Adam Mercer
2005-01-03  1:20               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 12:13               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-01-03  1:21             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 22:26             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:20         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:29           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:37             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 17:39               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 20:59                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:47                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 21:48                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:03                       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 22:10                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 23:41                           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04  5:46                           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04  6:36                             ` Al Viro
2005-01-04 10:23                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 12:36                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 12:59                                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:09                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:17                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05  6:20                                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-05 11:30                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 20:24                                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-05 13:31                                 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-05 19:16                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 21:19                                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04  9:17                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-01-04 13:27                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 14:27                           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 15:31                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 16:51                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:58                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 23:07                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 23:18                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 22:04                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 22:01                     ` Sean
2005-01-04  5:44                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 13:11                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:21                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:18             ` Wakko Warner
2005-01-03 23:06           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:18     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:34       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:46         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 15:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-03 23:34           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  7:42             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-04 13:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:47           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:18             ` David Lang
2005-01-04 23:03               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-05  7:39                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-06 19:35               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 23:33                 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2005-01-07  1:51                 ` David Lang
2005-01-07  5:48                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-03 22:53       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06  3:52       ` Ian Kent
2005-01-06 20:02 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-06 21:29   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07  0:06     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-07 16:34     ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-07 17:25       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09  2:31         ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-09  3:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-09  3:08           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 23:02             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10  0:30               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10  1:26                 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-10  1:28                 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-10  2:16                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10  4:51                   ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-10 18:27                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-10 19:55                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 21:08                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-11 16:10                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 22:19                     ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-11  0:54                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 16:10                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 16:07 Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-07 11:07 Nicolas Mailhot
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2005-01-07 11:17   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 17:34     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-08 15:45       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11  7:17         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 16:10           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 17:36             ` John Richard Moser
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