From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261479AbVAMBed (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:34:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261388AbVALVVi (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:21:38 -0500 Received: from out011pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.135]:51844 "EHLO out011.verizon.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261276AbVALVQ3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200501122116.j0CLGK3K022477@localhost.localdomain> To: Matt Mackall cc: "Jack O'Quin" , Chris Friesen , Chris Wright , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , Lee Revell , arjanv@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:52:58 PST." <20050112185258.GG2940@waste.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:20 -0500 From: Paul Davis X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [141.152.253.251] at Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:16:24 -0600 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >What I find offensive is you repeatedly telling me I'm naive, when >I've actually written a proper RT kernel AND run a music production >company. But you are being naive Matt! Nobody claims that OSX is hard-RT, or even that OS9 is hard-RT, but people are able to Get Work Done on those systems without jumping through hoops or arguing with kernel developers. This happens because (a) the OS is enough-RT and (b) the developers in question accepted the requirements of DAW and sequencer users as totally legitimate. As I stated before, we already *have* Linux kernels whose performance in the RT area is at least as good as OSX (thanks to Andrew and Ingo, primarily), but users cannot access these facilities without doing a song and dance and a download or two. This is the issue that requires fixing, from our perspective. --p