From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Patch 1/6 introduce sysctl
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:53:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050127195332.GA12532@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050127194603.GA31127@redhat.com>
* Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:11:20PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > so, i'm glad to report, it's a non-issue. Sometimes developers want to
> > disable randomisation during development (quick'n'easy hacks get quicker
> > and easier - e.g. if you watch an address within gdb), so having the
> > capability for unprivileged users to disable randomisation on the fly is
> > useful and Fedora certainly offers that, but from a support and
> > bug-reporting POV it's not a problem.
>
> It's worth noting that some users have found the randomisation disable
> useful for running things like xine/mplayer etc with win32 codecs that
> seem to just segfault otherwise. These things seem to be incredibly
> fragile to address space layout changes, which is a good argument for
> trying to avoid these wierdo formats where possible in favour of free
> codecs.
yes, this was by far the biggest problem randomisation caused. Note that
while Fedora offers a personality-hack to disable randomisation on the
fly, which Wine could have made use of to have the fix automatically;
Alexandre didnt want to rely on it in Wine because that flag's semantics
(PER_LINUX32) were not upstream. (and i very much agree with Alexandre
on that call).
But once something like this is upstream i believe Wine can (and will)
have a robust legacy-binary-format loader that is not affected by
randomisation effects, with minimal changes.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-27 19:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-27 10:11 Patch 0/6 virtual address space randomisation Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:12 ` Patch 1/6 introduce sysctl Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:36 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-27 11:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 18:16 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-27 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 19:46 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-27 19:53 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-01-27 19:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-04 21:27 ` Benoit Boissinot
2005-01-27 10:12 ` Patch 2/6 introduce helper infrastructure Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:41 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-27 11:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 12:27 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-27 12:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-01 21:14 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-27 10:12 ` Patch 3/6 per process flag Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:13 ` Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 17:38 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 17:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 18:04 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 18:09 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 18:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 18:55 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 18:49 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 19:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 19:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 20:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:08 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 19:19 ` linux-os
2005-01-27 19:52 ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 20:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:13 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 21:33 ` jnf
2005-01-28 17:22 ` Paulo Marques
2005-01-28 17:51 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-28 18:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29 6:04 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 20:37 ` linux-os
2005-01-27 20:45 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 21:39 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 21:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 22:34 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 2:50 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-29 6:31 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 8:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <41FBB821.3000403@comcast.net>
2005-01-29 16:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-29 16:59 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 16:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-29 17:04 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 17:37 ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-01-29 17:49 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 17:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-29 18:10 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-29 18:12 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-29 18:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-29 7:46 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 18:40 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-27 22:31 ` Jirka Kosina
2005-01-28 5:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 19:02 ` David Lang
2005-01-28 7:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 19:43 ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-28 0:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-28 0:23 ` Roland Dreier
2005-01-28 1:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-28 2:03 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-28 8:45 ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 20:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 20:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 20:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 20:40 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-27 20:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-27 20:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 21:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-27 10:13 ` Patch 5/6 randomize mmap addresses Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 10:14 ` Patch 6/6 default enable randomisation for -mm Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 11:45 ` Patch 0/6 virtual address space randomisation Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 11:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-27 17:42 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 19:34 ` Julien TINNES
2005-01-27 19:57 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-27 20:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-28 8:45 ` David Weinehall
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