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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Real-Time Preemption and RCU
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:48:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050318154820.GB1299@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050318100339.GA15386@elte.hu>

On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:03:39AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> there's a problem in #5's rcu_read_lock():
> 
>         void
>         rcu_read_lock(void)
>         {
>                 preempt_disable();
>                 if (current->rcu_read_lock_nesting++ == 0) {
>                         current->rcu_read_lock_ptr =
>                                 &__get_cpu_var(rcu_data).lock;
>                         read_lock(current->rcu_read_lock_ptr);
>                 }
>                 preempt_enable();
>         }
> 
> not only are read_lock()-ed sections preemptible, read_lock() itself may
> block, so it cannot be called from within preempt_disable(). How about
> something like:
> 
>         void
>         rcu_read_lock(void)
>         {
>                 preempt_disable();
>                 if (current->rcu_read_lock_nesting++ == 0) {
>                         current->rcu_read_lock_ptr =
>                                 &__get_cpu_var(rcu_data).lock;
>                         preempt_enable();
>                         read_lock(current->rcu_read_lock_ptr);
>                 } else
>                         preempt_enable();
>         }
> 
> this would still make it 'statistically scalable' - but is it correct?

Good catch!

Also good question...

Strictly speaking, it is not necessary to block callback invocation until
just after rcu_read_lock() returns.

It is correct as long as there is no sort of "upcall" or "callback" that
can masquerade as this task.  I know of no such thing in the Linux kernel.
In fact such a thing would break a lot of code, right?

Any tool that relied on the ->rcu_read_lock_nesting counter to deduce
RCU state would be confused by this change, but there might be other
ways of handling this.  Also, we are currently making do without such
a tool.

It should be possible to move the preempt_enable() further forward
ahead of the assignment to ->rcu_read_lock_ptr, since the assignment
to ->rcu_read_lock_ptr is strictly local.  Not sure that this is
worthwhile, thoughts?

        void
        rcu_read_lock(void)
        {
                preempt_disable();
                if (current->rcu_read_lock_nesting++ == 0) {
                        preempt_enable();
                        current->rcu_read_lock_ptr =
                                &__get_cpu_var(rcu_data).lock;
                        read_lock(current->rcu_read_lock_ptr);
                } else
                        preempt_enable();
        }

The other question is whether preempt_disable() is needed in the first
place.  The two task-structure fields are not accessed except by the
task itself.  I bet that the following is just fine:

        void
        rcu_read_lock(void)
        {
                if (current->rcu_read_lock_nesting++ == 0) {
                        current->rcu_read_lock_ptr =
                                &__get_cpu_var(rcu_data).lock;
                        read_lock(current->rcu_read_lock_ptr);
                }
        }

Thoughts?

					Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-18 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-18  0:20 Real-Time Preemption and RCU Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18  7:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:43   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 17:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 17:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 20:35       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 22:22         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-19  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18  8:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 15:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-19  5:03     ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-19 16:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  6:36         ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-20  9:25           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-20 16:57             ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-20 21:38               ` Bill Huey
2005-03-20 21:59                 ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 11:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:48     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 17:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20 13:29         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-20 22:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-20 23:23             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22  5:53               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  8:55                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22  9:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 10:19                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-23  5:40                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23 11:44                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-24  7:02                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 11:39             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22 13:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 15:08                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 15:48   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2005-03-18 11:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 12:56 ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 13:17   ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 15:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 16:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:55       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22 10:04         ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:17           ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:34             ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:38           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 22:26       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-19 16:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  8:01           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-22  8:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 15:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 15:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-11 22:57 real-time preemption " James Huang

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