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From: Jan Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>
To: Marcin Dalecki <martin@dalecki.de>
Cc: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Kernel SCM saga..
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:36:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050411063603.GA21708@vagabond> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <de0dee2e0b49a66479c2c885c0ee50aa@dalecki.de>

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On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 04:56:06 +0200, Marcin Dalecki wrote:
> 
> On 2005-04-11, at 04:26, Miles Bader wrote:
> 
> >Marcin Dalecki <martin@dalecki.de> writes:
> >>Better don't waste your time with looking at Arch. Stick with patches
> >>you maintain by hand combined with some scripts containing a list of
> >>apply commands and you should be still more productive then when using
> >>Arch.
> >
> >Arch has its problems, but please lay off the uninformed flamebait (the
> >"issues" you complain about are so utterly minor as to be laughable).
> 
> I wish you a lot of laughter after replying to an already 3 days old 
> message,
> which was my final on Arch.

Marcin Dalecki <martin@dalecki.de> complained:
> Arch isn't a sound example of software design. Quite contrary to the 
> random notes posted by it's author the following issues did strike me 
> the time I did evaluate it:
> [...]

I didn't comment on this first time, but I see I should have. *NONE* of
the issues you complained about were issues of *DESIGN*. They were all
issues of *ENGINEERING*. *ENGINEERING* issues can be fixed. One of the
issues does not even exist any longer (the diff/patch one -- it now
checks they are the right ones -- and in all other respects it is
*exactly* the same as depending on a library)

But what really matters here is the concept. Arch has a simple concept,
that works well. Others have different concepts, that work well or
almost well too (Darcs, Monotone).

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						 Jan 'Bulb' Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-11  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-06 15:42 Kernel SCM saga Linus Torvalds
2005-04-06 16:00 ` Greg KH
2005-04-07 16:40   ` Rik van Riel
2005-04-08  0:53     ` Jesse Barnes
2005-04-06 16:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-06 19:07 ` Jon Smirl
2005-04-06 19:24   ` Matan Peled
2005-04-06 19:49     ` Jon Smirl
2005-04-06 20:34       ` Hua Zhong
2005-04-07  1:31       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-04-06 19:39 ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2005-04-07  1:40   ` Martin Pool
2005-04-07  1:47     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07  2:26       ` Martin Pool
2005-04-07  2:32         ` David Lang
2005-04-07  5:38           ` Martin Pool
2005-04-07 23:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08  5:56               ` Martin Pool
2005-04-08  6:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08  8:38                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-08 23:38                     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-09  2:54                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-09  0:12                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09  2:27                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-09  2:32                         ` David Lang
2005-04-09  3:08                         ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-09  3:15                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-09  5:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 22:55                           ` David S. Miller
2005-04-09 23:13                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10  0:14                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-10  1:56                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 12:03                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 17:38                                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 17:46                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 17:56                                         ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  0:22                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 11:33                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 17:55                         ` Matthias Andree
2005-04-09 16:33                       ` Roman Zippel
2005-04-09 23:31                         ` Tupshin Harper
2005-04-10 17:24                         ` Code snippet to reconstruct ancestry graph from bk repo Paul P Komkoff Jr
2005-04-10 18:19                           ` Roman Zippel
2005-04-08 16:46                   ` Kernel SCM saga Catalin Marinas
2005-04-07  8:14           ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-07  7:53       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-04-07  3:35     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-07 15:08       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-07  6:36   ` bert hubert
2005-04-06 23:22 ` Jon Masters
2005-04-07  6:51 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-04-07  7:48   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-07 15:10   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-07 17:00     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-07 17:38       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-07 17:47         ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-07 18:06         ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-07 18:36         ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-08  3:35         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 19:56       ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-04-07 23:21     ` Dave Airlie
2005-04-07  7:18 ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-07  8:50   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-07  9:20     ` Paul Mackerras
2005-04-07  9:46       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-07 11:17         ` Paul Mackerras
2005-04-07 10:41       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-04-07  9:25     ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-07  9:49       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-07  9:55       ` Russell King
2005-04-07 10:11         ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-07  9:40     ` David Vrabel
2005-04-07  9:24   ` Sergei Organov
2005-04-07 10:30     ` Matthias Andree
2005-04-07 10:54       ` Andrew Walrond
2005-04-09 16:17       ` David Roundy
2005-04-10  9:24         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-04-10 13:51           ` David Roundy
2005-04-07 15:32   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-07 17:09     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-07 17:10     ` Al Viro
2005-04-07 17:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-07 18:04         ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-07 18:27           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-07 20:54           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-08  3:41         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 17:52       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-04-07 17:54       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-07 18:13         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-04-07 18:29           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-10 22:33             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11  0:00               ` Christian Parpart
2005-04-08 17:24         ` Jon Masters
2005-04-08 22:05           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-08 22:52     ` Roman Zippel
2005-04-08 23:46       ` Tupshin Harper
2005-04-09  1:00         ` Roman Zippel
2005-04-09  1:23           ` Tupshin Harper
2005-04-09 16:52       ` Eric D. Mudama
2005-04-09 17:40         ` Roman Zippel
2005-04-09 18:56           ` Ray Lee
2005-04-07  7:44 ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-08  6:14   ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-04-09  1:01   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-09  8:32     ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-11  2:26     ` Miles Bader
2005-04-11  2:56       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-11  6:36         ` Jan Hudec [this message]
2005-04-07 10:56 ` Andrew Walrond
2005-04-08  0:57 ` Ian Wienand
2005-04-08  4:13 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08  4:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08  5:04     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08  5:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-08  7:05         ` Rogan Dawes
2005-04-08  7:21           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-08  7:49             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-08  7:14     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-08 12:02       ` Matthias Andree
2005-04-08 12:21         ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-08 14:26       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 16:15         ` Matthias-Christian Ott
2005-04-08 17:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 17:15             ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08 17:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 18:05                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 19:16                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08 19:38                       ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-08 19:48                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08 19:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 20:11                         ` Uncached stat performace [ Was: Re: Kernel SCM saga.. ] Ragnar Kjørstad
2005-04-08 20:14                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-08 20:50                       ` Kernel SCM saga Luck, Tony
2005-04-08 21:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 17:14                           ` Roman Zippel
2005-04-09  7:20                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-04-09 15:15                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-08 17:25             ` Matthias-Christian Ott
2005-04-08 18:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 18:28                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-04-08 18:58                   ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-09  1:11                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-09  1:50                     ` David Lang
2005-04-09 22:12                       ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-08 19:16                 ` Matthias-Christian Ott
2005-04-08 19:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 19:44                     ` Matthias-Christian Ott
2005-04-09  1:09                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-08 17:35             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-08 18:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-08 18:56                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-09  7:37                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-04-09  7:47                     ` Neil Brown
2005-04-09  8:00                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-04-09  9:34                         ` Neil Brown
2005-04-09 15:40                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09 16:16                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 17:15                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09 17:35                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09  1:04             ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-09 15:42               ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09 18:45                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-09  1:00           ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-09  1:09             ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-09  1:21               ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-08  7:17     ` ross
2005-04-08 15:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09  2:53         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-09  7:08           ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-04-09 18:06             ` [PATCH] " Petr Baudis
2005-04-10  1:01           ` Phillip Lougher
2005-04-10  1:42             ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10  1:57               ` Phillip Lougher
2005-04-09 15:50         ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09 16:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 17:08             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  3:41             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  8:39             ` David Lang
2005-04-10  9:40               ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-10 16:46                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-04-10 17:50                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-12 23:20                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-08  7:34     ` Marcel Lanz
2005-04-08  9:23       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-04-08  8:38     ` Matt Johnston
2005-04-12  7:14     ` Kernel SCM saga.. (bk license?) Kedar Sovani
2005-04-12  9:34       ` Catalin Marinas
2005-04-13  4:04       ` Ricky Beam
2005-04-08 11:42   ` Kernel SCM saga Catalin Marinas
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.58.0504060800280.2215 () ppc970 ! osdl ! org>
2005-04-06 21:13 ` kfogel
2005-04-06 22:39   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-09  1:00   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-04-08 22:27 Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2005-04-08 23:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09  0:29   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 16:20   ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09  4:06 Walter Landry
2005-04-09 11:02 Samium Gromoff
2005-04-09 11:29 Samium Gromoff
2005-04-10  4:20 Albert Cahalan

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