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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Gerd Knorr <kraxel@suse.de>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Pratap Subrahmanyam <pratap@vmware.com>,
	Christopher Li <chrisl@vmware.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [patch] SMP alternatives
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:48:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051123214835.GA24044@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511231331040.13959@g5.osdl.org>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:36:08PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> But optimizing for a single _thread_ is not a lost game. I don't believe 
> that threaded applications are necessarily going to take over all that 
> much in a lot of areas. Sure, we'll have more threaded apps too, but we'll 
> continue to have tons more of performance-critical non-threaded things 
> like compilers etc.
> 
> And _that_ is worth optimizing for. General libraries that have to be able 
> to handle the threaded case dynamically, but that are often run with no 
> shared memory anywhere.
> 
> THAT is what I'd like to have CPU support for. Not for UP (it's going 
> away), and not for the kernel (it's never single-threaded).

I don't think I see the point.  This would let you optimize for the
"multi-threaded, but hasn't created any threads yet" or even
"multi-threaded, but not right now" cases.  But those really aren't the
interesting case to optimize for - that's the equivalent of supporting
CPU hotplug.

The interesting case is when you know at static link time that the
library is single-threaded, or even at dynamic link time.  And it's
easy enough at both of those times to handle this.  In many cases glibc
doesn't, because it's valid to dlopen libpthread.so, but that could be
accomodated - a simple matter of software.

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery, LLC

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-23 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10  0:32 [PATCH 1/10] Cr4 is valid on some 486s Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 10:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-11 17:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-11 18:00     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-11 19:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 19:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-11 20:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 20:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13  7:42           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-13 10:59             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-13 17:26               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-13 17:09                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-13 19:00                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-13 19:07                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-13 19:41                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-13 19:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13 21:32                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14  7:46                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-13 19:56                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-13 19:24             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13 20:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 15:06                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-14 19:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 19:46                     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-14 19:52                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 20:34                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-14 20:52                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 14:12                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:01                       ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:04                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:06                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:10                             ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:14                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-15 16:19                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:25                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:34                                     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:28                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-15 16:24                             ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:52                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-15 16:16                           ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:08                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-16  9:58                           ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-15 16:16                           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:27                             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-16 16:12                         ` [RFC] SMP alternatives Gerd Knorr
2005-11-22 17:48                           ` [patch] " Gerd Knorr
2005-11-22 18:01                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 15:12                             ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-11-23 19:17                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 15:29                               ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-23 16:42                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 16:39                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 17:21                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 16:59                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:00                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 13:13                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 13:30                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 13:39                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 13:58                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 19:16                                                 ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:26                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 14:34                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 14:22                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 15:15                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 14:55                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 15:09                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 15:36                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 16:49                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 19:12                                                           ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:14                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 19:24                                                               ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:29                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 19:44                                                                   ` thockin
2005-11-24 21:20                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 21:40                                                                       ` thockin
2005-11-24 23:33                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 23:12                                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 22:48                                                                 ` thockin
2005-11-24 23:35                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-25  0:13                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-25  1:33                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 19:15                                                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-24 16:02                                                         ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 19:09                                                     ` thockin
2005-11-24 14:30                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 17:02                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 18:02                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 18:42                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 17:26                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-23 19:03                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 19:31                                               ` jmerkey
2005-11-23 18:46                                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 19:12                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 19:30                                             ` jmerkey
2005-11-23 21:44                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 21:13                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 21:46                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-23 22:23                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:30                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 22:05                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 21:36                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-23 21:36                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:13                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 21:36                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 21:43                                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:15                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:22                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:25                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:32                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:36                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:40                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:52                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 23:10                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24  0:55                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-23 21:48                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2005-11-23 21:53                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:03                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 22:09                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:21                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 23:29                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-23 23:40                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:19                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:20                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 23:08                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 23:02                                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-23 23:42                                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 23:59                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24  2:06                                                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-24 22:32                                                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-11-28 19:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-24  1:02                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-24 13:01                                                       ` Pádraig Brady
2005-11-24 13:12                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-28 19:52                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-28 20:05                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 22:19                                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-28 23:00                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 23:07                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 23:30                                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 23:32                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 23:12                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:50                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 22:22                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-25  7:38                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-25 17:33                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-28 20:25                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-25 20:13                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24  3:23                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-11-24  3:31                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-11-24  3:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24 22:30                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-11-23 16:43                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-23 16:51                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24 17:48 linux
2005-11-24 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24 18:24 colin
2006-01-24 15:33 [PATCH] " Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-24 16:22 ` Ben Collins
2006-01-25  9:20   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-26 10:22 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-26 11:17   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-26 11:48     ` Pavel Machek

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