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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] mm: de-skew page refcount
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:05:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060118170558.GE28418@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601180830520.3240@g5.osdl.org>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:38:44AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >
> > The following patchset (against 2.6.16-rc1 + migrate race fixes) uses the new
> > atomic ops to do away with the offset page refcounting, and simplify the race
> > that it was designed to cover.
> > 
> > This allows some nice optimisations
> 
> Why?
> 
> The real downside is that "atomic_inc_nonzero()" is a lot more expensive 
> than checking for zero on x86 (and x86-64).
> 
> The reason it's offset is that on architectures that automatically test 
> the _result_ of an atomic op (ie x86[-64]), it's easy to see when 
> something _becomes_ negative or _becomes_ zero, and that's what
> 
> 	atomic_add_negative
> 	atomic_inc_and_test
> 
> are optimized for (there's also "atomic_dec_and_test()" which reacts on 
> the count becoming zero, but that doesn't have a pairing: there's no way 
> to react to the count becoming one for the increment operation, so the 
> "atomic_dec_and_test()" is used for things where zero means "free it").
> 
> Nothing else can be done that fast on x86. Everything else requires an 
> insane "load, update, cmpxchg" sequence.
> 

Yes, I realise inc_not_zero isn't as fast as dec_and_test on x86(-64).
In this case when the cacheline will already be exclusive I bet it isn't
that much of a difference (in the noise from my testing).

> So I disagree with this patch series. It has real downsides. There's a 
> reason we have the offset.
> 

Yes, there is a reason, I detailed it in the changelog and got rid of it.

> "nice optimizations"

They're in this patchset.

Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-18 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-18 10:40 [patch 0/4] mm: de-skew page refcount Nick Piggin
2006-01-18 10:40 ` [patch 1/4] mm: page refcount use atomic primitives Nick Piggin
2006-01-18 10:40 ` [patch 2/4] mm: PageLRU no testset Nick Piggin
2006-01-19 17:48   ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-19 18:10     ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-18 10:40 ` [patch 3/3] mm: PageActive " Nick Piggin
2006-01-18 14:13   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-19 14:50     ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-19 16:52       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-19 20:02         ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-19 21:41           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-18 10:41 ` [patch 4/4] mm: less atomic ops Nick Piggin
2006-01-18 16:38 ` [patch 0/4] mm: de-skew page refcount Linus Torvalds
2006-01-18 17:05   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-01-18 19:27     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-19 14:00       ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-19 16:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-19 17:06           ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-19 17:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-19 17:38               ` Nick Piggin

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