From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932420AbWBGA3c (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:29:32 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932423AbWBGA3c (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:29:32 -0500 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:38616 "EHLO amd.ucw.cz") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932420AbWBGA3b (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:29:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 01:29:10 +0100 From: Pavel Machek To: Nigel Cunningham Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" , suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net, Lee Revell , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Which is simpler? (Was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: [ 00/10] [Suspend2] Modules support.) Message-ID: <20060207002910.GA1575@elf.ucw.cz> References: <20060201113710.6320.68289.stgit@localhost.localdomain> <200602070625.49479.nigel@suspend2.net> <200602070051.41448.rjw@sisk.pl> <200602070957.39712.nigel@suspend2.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200602070957.39712.nigel@suspend2.net> X-Warning: Reading this can be dangerous to your mental health. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi! > > This point is valid, but I don't think the users will _have_ _to_ switch > > to the userland suspend. AFAICT we are going to keep the kernel-based > > code as long as necessary. > > > > We are just going to implement features in the user space that need not > > be implemented in the kernel. Of course they can be implemented in the > > kernel, and you have shown that clearly, but since they need not be > > there, we should at least try to implement them in the user space and > > see how this works. > > > > Frankly, I have no strong opinion on whether they _should_ be > > implemented in the user space or in the kernel, but I think we won't > > know that until we actually _try_. > > > > That said, I like the idea and I'm going to work on it. I'll also > > appreciate any help very much. > > Wow. I wish Pavel wrote replies like that. We'd get on a whole lot better. > > Pavel, am I doing something wrong that I'm not clicking to, which is > stirring you up? I really don't want to. I want to work with you guys > instead of against you, but it seems to me like every attempt at > interaction with you degenerates into something far less than ideal. Nothing I could name... I guess I'll just let you cooperate with Rafael, he can translate ;-). [Well, perhaps there's one thing. Have you seen Al Viro's mails? He tends to use quite a strong language. I guess asking you to talk like him is too much to ask (but it would probably help ;-), but notice that my and his native languages have quite a lot in common. Perhaps I'm doing poor job translating into English at higher level...] Pavel -- Web maintainer for suspend.sf.net (www.sf.net/projects/suspend) wanted...