From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751130AbWBHVB3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:01:29 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751142AbWBHVB2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:01:28 -0500 Received: from ns9.hostinglmi.net ([213.194.149.146]:16828 "EHLO ns9.hostinglmi.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751130AbWBHVB2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:01:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:02:19 +0100 From: DervishD To: Joerg Schilling Cc: jim@why.dont.jablowme.net, peter.read@gmail.com, matthias.andree@gmx.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) Message-ID: <20060208210219.GB9166@DervishD> Mail-Followup-To: Joerg Schilling , jim@why.dont.jablowme.net, peter.read@gmail.com, matthias.andree@gmx.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <200602021717.08100.luke@dashjr.org> <200602031724.55729.luke@dashjr.org> <43E7545E.nail7GN11WAQ9@burner> <73d8d0290602060706o75f04c1cx@mail.gmail.com> <43E7680E.2000506@gmx.de> <20060206205437.GA12270@voodoo> <43E89B56.nailA792EWNLG@burner> <20060207183712.GC5341@voodoo> <43E9F1CD.nail2BR11FL52@burner> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <43E9F1CD.nail2BR11FL52@burner> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: DervishD X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns9.hostinglmi.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dervishd.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Joerg :) * Joerg Schilling dixit: > > The people replying here are your users, if you don't want to listen to > > them pretty much any conversation with you will be a waste of time. > > Sorry, but from reading the mail from _real_ cdrecord users, it is > obvious that the people here are either not my users or users with > a stange way of thinking. Joerg, I know you're going to ignore this email just as you ignored other emails I sent you in the past regarding cdrecord, the annoying numbering scheme and the stupid "your DMA speed is too slow, you cannot write at more than 12x" (fortunately, my CD writer doesn't know that and writes correctly at 50x and even more). Anyway, I want to tell you that I've been a cdrecord _real_ user for more than 5 years, and while I consider your work valuable and clever, you have NO respect for anybody who doesn't think the same as you. I know many cdrecord users (_real_ ones, IMHO), and ALL of them think that the numbering scheme to access their writers is CRAP: crappy design, crappy coding and crappy user interface. I'm going to be a bit more respectful: I don't consider it crap. I just consider it bad. Bad because cdrecord is the only program in my system that forces me to think what the heck is the correct number for my CD writer (which is /dev/cdrw in my system) or which number do I have to use to READ a CD image using "readcd" (instead of /dev/cdrw or /dev/dvd, or even the ugly /dev/hdc). I end up using "-scanbus" everytime I use a system which is not mine, and that's bad, because most of those systems have /dev/cdrw, or /dev/cdrecorder, or something like that. Joerg, the problem is that you never listen to things you don't like. I understand, because I sometimes do exactly the same, but I don't maintain a program with thousand of users... cdrecord is GPL, so in the end nobody has the right to ask you to modify it in ways you don't like or you don't want it to. That goes with free software: you don't pay, you don't have the right to ask for things. But, how about trying to listen to third parties? I mean, you are probably OK ignoring my suggestions, I am probably a mediocre programmer, but... do you _really_ think that you are more clever than ALL the programmers in this mailing list? Do you _really_ think that you have the correct answer and that ALL of them are plainly wrong? Do you _REALLY_ think that EVERYBODY is wrong *except* you in this issue about the user interface? C'mon, Joerg, you're more clever than that. You probably know that a program where half the options have a leading "-" and the other half doesn't have it probably has a bad user interface. You know that if a program uses a naming convention different from ALL the rest of programs is because the program has a problem. You know that if the only UNIX program out there that doesn't use /dev entries to talk to devices is cdrecord, the problem *probably* is in cdrecord, and not in UNIX... Well, I will stop here. I don't want to argue with you about this because I'm not sure if I'm right or not. I just happen to like more the "/dev" approach that a set of three numbers to locate a unit in a SCSI bus that I DON'T HAVE in my box... Believe me: I consider you a very good programmer and a very clever person, but your attitude is... My best wishes, Joerg. Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado -- Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net http://www.pleyades.net & http://www.gotesdelluna.net It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen!