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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Chuck Ebbert <76306.1226@compuserve.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Reorganize the cpufreq cpu hotplug locking to not be totally bizare
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:45:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060729134527.GA10899@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060727103811.A29962@unix-os.sc.intel.com>


* Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 03:40:49AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > But I agree with Arjan - I think the fundamental problem is that cpu 
> > > hotplug locking is just is fundamentally badly designed as-is. There's 
> > > really very little point to making it a _lock_ per se, since most 
> > > people really want more of a "I'm using this CPU, don't try to remove 
> > > it right now" thing which is more of a ref-counting-like issue.
> > 
> > we'd also need a facility to wait on that refcount - i.e. a waitqueue. 
> > Which means we'd have a "refcount + waitqueue", which is equivalent to a 
> > "recursive, sleeping read-lock", where the write-side could be used as a 
> > simple facility to "wait for all readers to go away and block new 
> > readers from entering the critical sections". [which type of lock Linux 
> > does not have right now. rwsems come the closest but they dont recurse.]
> 
> sounds like some varient of conditional variables, caveat might be 
> that new readers permitted if in the same call thread/cpu?

well, i'd just call it a recursive rwsem. (sure, you can express it via 
condition variables, but just about any locking method can be expressed 
via them.)

> > Also, the hotplug lock is global right now which is pretty unscalable, 
> > so the rw-mutex should also be per-CPU, and the hotplug locking API 
> > should be changed to something like:
> > 
> > 	cpu = cpu_hotplug_lock();
> 
> so this is sort of like the get_cpu()/put_cpu() interface that does 
> preempt_disable() + get current cpu.

the API is similar - behavior is different in that the 'per-cpu lock' 
i'm talking about _does_ allow preemption and migration to another CPU.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-29 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-25  0:21 remove cpu hotplug bustification in cpufreq Chuck Ebbert
2006-07-25  0:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-25 15:06   ` Erik Mouw
2006-07-25 18:54   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-25 19:30     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 20:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-26 13:40         ` [patch] Reorganize the cpufreq cpu hotplug locking to not be totally bizare Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-26 15:51           ` Dave Jones
2006-07-26 17:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-26 19:42               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-26 20:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-26 20:58                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-07-26 21:29                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-26 21:38                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-27  1:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-27 17:38                         ` Ashok Raj
2006-07-29 13:45                           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-07-26 21:15                   ` Ashok Raj
2006-07-27 19:29                     ` Langsdorf, Mark
2006-07-28 13:50                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-28 17:09                         ` Langsdorf, Mark
2006-07-26 20:42                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-07-26 21:03                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-26 21:21                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-07-26 21:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-26 21:33                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-26 22:35                       ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-07-26 22:44                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 20:46     ` remove cpu hotplug bustification in cpufreq Dave Jones
2006-07-25 20:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-26 17:12       ` Russell King
2006-07-26 17:53         ` Dave Jones

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