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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Jim Cromie <jim.cromie@gmail.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] fix !apic build breakage
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:44:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200609292344.55363.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060929211417.GA11834@elte.hu>


> so please do it. The fact that there are /other/ reductions possible 
> doesnt mean we can be lax. 

Well with that argument we would put ifdefs nearly everywhere
because most subsystem have some code that you don't need in some
obscure configuration.

Do we do that? No. Clean and maintainable code is more important.

This particular case of APIC CONFIG is just a historical ward.
I eliminated it on 64bit a long time ago (and it undoubtedly
saved me hours of fixing compilation issues and it made the code
cleaner too) and i386 is definitely ripe for that soon too.

> It's like: "oh, the buddy allocator scales  
> better now, so we can slow down the SLAB allocator". No, kernel size is 
> like scalability: we need a million small steps.

Sure you could do a million steps. Just for each step you need 
to look at the ratio of maintainability impact:usefulness
IMHO microconfig loses there usually badly.

[As terminology i call microconfig anything that requires ifdefs 
inside .c or .h files. CONFIGs that only appear in Makefiles are usually
not a problem]

There are lots of other steps to less bloat that make sense, but please don't
advocate that microCONFIG disease.

> the panic_on_unrecovered_nmi thing is gross anyway: it has no place in 
> kernel.h, it should go into include/[asm-i386|x86_64]/nmi.h and not the 
> generic headers. There the prototype can be made #ifdef APIC, hence 
> eliminating the #ifdefs from traps.c. (that's all we care about anyway)

Yes I fixed it already in a cleaner way (without ugly ifdefs) 

ftp://ftp.firstfloor.org/pub/ak/x86_64/quilt/patches/nmi-sysctl-cleanup
 
> please dont throw away a perfectly fine config option.

I can't count how many that silly option already got broken by 
changes in the APIC code. I definitely wouldn't describe it as "perfectly fine",
more as "fragile and tends to fall over when you even look at it".

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-29 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-28  8:46 2.6.18-mm2 Andrew Morton
2006-09-28 11:54 ` 2.6.18-mm2 Michal Piotrowski
2006-09-29 12:12   ` md deadlock (was Re: 2.6.18-mm2) Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-29 12:52     ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29 14:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-10-02 13:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-10-10  3:53           ` Neil Brown
2006-10-10  6:42             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-28 17:50 ` 2.6.18-mm2 Steve Fox
2006-09-28 19:00   ` 2.6.18-mm2 thunder7
2006-09-28 21:01   ` 2.6.18-mm2 Andrew Morton
2006-09-28 22:45     ` 2.6.18-mm2 Stephen Hemminger
2006-10-04 13:42     ` 2.6.18-mm2 boot failure on x86-64 Steve Fox
2006-10-04 15:45       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-04 15:55         ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-04 15:56         ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05  1:57           ` Keith Mannthey
2006-10-04 16:41         ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05  0:06           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-05  0:51             ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-05  0:57               ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05  1:08                 ` Martin Bligh
2006-10-05  2:05                   ` Keith Mannthey
2006-10-05 14:53                   ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05 15:12                     ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-10-05 15:32                       ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05 15:40                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 17:57                           ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05 18:27                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 18:51                               ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05 19:05                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 20:42                                   ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05 20:50                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-06  2:23                                       ` Steve Fox
2006-10-06 14:33                                         ` Mel Gorman
2006-10-06 15:36                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-06 17:11                                             ` Mel Gorman
2006-10-06 17:34                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-06 17:59                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-06 18:03                                               ` Steve Fox
2006-10-06 20:04                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-09  9:53                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-10-16 18:16                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-16 23:58                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-17 12:18                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-17 17:32                                                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-10-05 18:52                               ` Vivek Goyal
2006-10-05 19:08                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 20:25                                   ` Steve Fox
2006-10-05 20:39                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-10-05 20:51                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 23:14                                       ` 2.6.18-mm2 boot failure on x86-64 II Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 23:32                                         ` keith mannthey
2006-10-05 23:35                                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 23:58                                             ` keith mannthey
2006-10-06  0:02                                               ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-10-06  0:12                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-28 22:39 ` 2.6.18-mm2 Jim Cromie
2006-09-28 23:08   ` 2.6.18-mm2 Andi Kleen
2006-09-29 20:14     ` 2.6.18-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2006-09-29 20:36       ` 2.6.18-mm2 Andi Kleen
2006-09-29 20:32         ` 2.6.18-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2006-09-29 20:58           ` 2.6.18-mm2 Andi Kleen
2006-09-29 21:14             ` [patch] fix !apic build breakage Ingo Molnar
2006-09-29 21:44               ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2006-09-29 21:41                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-29 21:44             ` 2.6.18-mm2 Alan Cox
2006-09-29 21:36         ` 2.6.18-mm2 Dave Jones
2006-09-29 21:46           ` 2.6.18-mm2 Andi Kleen
2006-09-28 22:44 ` 2.6.18-mm2 Matthias Hentges
2006-09-29  3:19 ` 2.6.18-mm2 - oops in cache_alloc_refill() Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-29  3:29   ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-29  3:58     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-29 15:19     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-29 19:45       ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-30  0:01         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-30  1:20           ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-30  1:33             ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-09-30  3:31               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-30  7:50                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-30  8:33                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-30  1:40             ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-09-30  3:31               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-30  1:57             ` Makefile for linux modules x z
2006-09-30  8:55               ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-09-30  1:59             ` x z
2006-10-02 17:52             ` 2.6.18-mm2 - oops in cache_alloc_refill() Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-02 19:57               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-03 15:58               ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-10-03 16:34                 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 16:45                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-10-03 17:07                     ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-05 22:37                   ` Pavel Roskin
2006-10-05 22:42                     ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-09-29 19:47       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-29 13:57 ` 2.6.18-mm2 J.A. Magallón
2006-09-29 14:39   ` 2.6.18-mm2 Matthew Wilcox
2006-09-29 17:15     ` 2.6.18-mm2 Alan Cox
2006-09-29 23:50       ` 2.6.18-mm2 Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-29 23:43         ` 2.6.18-mm2 Alan Cox
2006-09-30 14:09           ` [-mm patch] aic7xxx: check irq validity (was Re: 2.6.18-mm2) Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-30 14:19             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-30 13:51               ` Willy Tarreau
2006-09-30 23:58             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-01 14:28               ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-01 19:05                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-01 19:19                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-01 19:34                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-01 19:36                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-01 19:42                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-02  2:12                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-02 20:00                       ` [RFC PATCH] pci_request_irq (was [-mm patch] aic7xxx: check irq validity) Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 18:15                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-02 21:09                           ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 20:07                         ` [RFC PATCH] move aic7xxx to pci_request_irq Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 18:27                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-02 21:02                             ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-03  3:45                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-02 20:11                         ` [RFC PATCH] move tg3 " Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 18:28                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-02 21:04                             ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-03  7:18                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-02 20:12                         ` [RFC PATCH] move drm " Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 18:37                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-02 21:07                             ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 20:36                           ` Alan Cox
2006-10-02 22:26                             ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-02 23:54                           ` Dave Airlie
2006-10-03  7:17                             ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-10-03  3:58                         ` [RFC PATCH] pci_request_irq (was [-mm patch] aic7xxx: check irq validity) Randy Dunlap
2006-10-01 21:31               ` [-mm patch] aic7xxx: check irq validity (was Re: 2.6.18-mm2) Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-30 15:26         ` 2.6.18-mm2 James Bottomley
2006-09-30 16:21           ` 2.6.18-mm2 Matthew Wilcox
2006-09-30 17:20             ` 2.6.18-mm2 Mark Rustad
2006-09-30 20:54           ` 2.6.18-mm2 Alan Cox
2006-09-29 23:15     ` 2.6.18-mm2 J.A. Magallón
2006-09-30  7:04 ` 2.6.18-mm2 - possible recursive locking detected Borislav Petkov
2006-09-30  8:28   ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-30 18:19     ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] ` <20060930133706.GA3291@melchior.yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
2006-09-30 19:53   ` 2.6.18-mm2 Andrew Morton

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