Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, "J.H." <warthog9@kernel.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	webmaster@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:37:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070108193758.GA20136@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070108203150.eb6df66f.khali@linux-fr.org>

Hi Jean,

On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:31:50PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > Willy Tarreau wrote:
> >
> > > Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they
> > > might be _very_ interested in taking HP's place and providing whatever
> > > you need to get their name on www.kernel.org. Sun and IBM do such
> > > monter machines too. That would not be very kind to HP, but it might
> > > help getting hardware faster.
> > 
> > No, it would not be kind to HP.  They have supported us pretty well so 
> > far, and as a consequence I really want to give them the right of first 
> > refusal.  We're asking for a lot of equipment, and these things take 
> > time.  This is all further complicated right now by the fact that we 
> > probably won't get our 501(c)3 decision from IRS until mid-2007.
> 
> What's wrong with having _several_ vendors contributing hardware to
> kernel.org? Hopefully HP is providing the hardware not just for the
> fame but also because they know how much it is needed and they have an
> interest in the Linux kernel development going well and smoothly.
> 
> HP should actually enjoy the cost being shared with another company. Or
> was the HP hardware given in exhange of the promess that HP would be
> the only hardware provider of kernel.org and that this would be loudly
> advertised? I sure hope not, and I can't believe we're willing to wait
> for half a year just to let HP provide the hardware if another vendor
> is also willing to provide it and would be faster.
> 
> It's free software we're doing here, it should be natural to accept the
> help of anyone who wants to help, and to share the costs where possible.

But it's also necessary to be fair with the donators and encourage them
to give again. I agree that if we do not have any consideration for their
implication, it might make them lose their motivations. If, as Peter said,
they have been very supportive in the past, let's support them in turn.

Regards,
Willy