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From: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-aio@kvack.org, Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:13:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070131201345.GJ32307@ca-server1.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701302153520.3611@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:06:48PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> (Sadly, some of the people who really _use_ AIO are the database people, 
> and they really only care about a particularly stupid and trivial case: 
> pure reads and writes. A lot of other loads care about much more complex 
> things: filename lookups etc, that traditional AIO cannot do at all, and 
> that you really want something more thread-like for. But those other loads 
> get kind of swamped by the DB needs, which are might tighter and trivial 
> enough that you don't "need" a real thread for them).

	While certainly not an exhaustive list, DB people love their
reads and writes, but are pining for network reads and writes.  They
also are very excited about async poll(), connect(), and accept().  One
of the big problems today is that you can either sleep for your I/O in
io_getevents() or for your connect()/accept() in poll()/epoll(), but
there is nowhere you can sleep for all of them at once.  That's why the
aio list continually proposes aio_poll() or returning aio events
via epoll().
	Fibril based syscalls would allow async connect()/accept() and
the rest of networking, plus one stop shopping for completions.

Joel


-- 

"Born under a bad sign.
 I been down since I began to crawl.
 If it wasn't for bad luck,
 I wouldn't have no luck at all."

Joel Becker
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Oracle
E-mail: joel.becker@oracle.com
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-31 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-30 20:39 [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 1 of 4] Introduce per_call_chain() Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 2 of 4] Introduce i386 fibril scheduling Zach Brown
2007-02-01  8:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 13:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 13:19       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-01 13:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 17:13           ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01 18:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 13:23         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 21:52       ` Zach Brown
2007-02-01 22:23         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-02-01 22:37           ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 13:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 20:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 10:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 15:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 19:59           ` Alan
2007-02-02 20:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 20:58               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-02 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 21:30               ` Alan
2007-02-02 21:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 22:42                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 23:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 23:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-03  0:04                         ` Alan
2007-02-03  0:23                         ` bert hubert
2007-02-02 22:48                   ` Alan
2007-02-05 16:44             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 22:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 22:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 23:55               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-03  0:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-03  7:15                   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-03  8:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-03  9:25                     ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-03 10:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:44                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 19:26                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 19:41                         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 20:10                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 20:21                             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 20:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 20:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:09                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:31                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 20:25                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06 20:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 21:16                                     ` David Miller
2007-02-06 21:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 21:31                                         ` David Miller
2007-02-06 21:46                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-06 21:50                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:28                                             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-06 22:45                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 23:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07  1:22                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 23:23                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06 23:39                                         ` Joel Becker
2007-02-06 23:56                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  0:06                                             ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  0:23                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  0:44                                                 ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  1:15                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  1:24                                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-07  1:30                                                     ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  6:16                                                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-07  9:17                                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-07  9:37                                                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-06  0:32                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:21                               ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 23:37             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-03  0:02               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 17:12               ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 18:24                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:44                   ` David Miller
2007-02-06  0:15                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:36               ` bert hubert
2007-02-05 21:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 22:07                   ` bert hubert
2007-02-05 22:15                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 22:34                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06  0:27                   ` Scot McKinley
2007-02-06  0:48                     ` David Miller
2007-02-06  0:48                     ` Joel Becker
2007-02-05 17:02             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 18:52               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 19:20                 ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 19:38                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-04  5:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 17:54     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 3 of 4] Teach paths to wake a specific void * target instead of a whole task_struct Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 4 of 4] Introduce aio system call submission and completion system calls Zach Brown
2007-01-31  8:58   ` Andi Kleen
2007-01-31 17:15     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:21       ` Andi Kleen
2007-01-31 19:23         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-01 11:13           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-01 19:50             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-02  7:19               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-02  7:45                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 22:18             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02  3:35               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-01 20:26   ` bert hubert
2007-02-01 21:29     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02  7:12       ` bert hubert
2007-02-04  5:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-01-30 21:58 ` [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 22:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 22:53     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 22:40   ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 22:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 23:45       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31  2:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  2:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  2:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31  3:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31 10:50       ` Xavier Bestel
2007-01-31 19:28         ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:59       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31  5:16     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  5:36     ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-31  5:51       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-31  6:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31  8:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-31 20:13         ` Joel Becker [this message]
2007-01-31 18:20       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:47     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:38   ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:51     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-01-31 19:25       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 20:05         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-01-31 20:41           ` Zach Brown
2007-02-04  5:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-04 20:00   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-09 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-09 23:11   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-09 23:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 18:45       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-10 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 19:35           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 20:59           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-10  0:04   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-10  0:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10  0:34       ` Alan
2007-02-10 10:47   ` bert hubert
2007-02-10 18:19     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-11  0:56   ` David Miller
2007-02-11  2:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-14 16:42       ` James Antill

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